Peaches Geldof is dead

You know what this thread needs? A picture of a sloth playing a banjo.

FAKE EDIT: strawberry float me, would you look at that.

Ginga » Thu May 01, 2014 4:55 pm wrote:
Fat Daz. Being an arsehole, so you don't have to.

Being honest hardly makes me an arsehole.

I think its heartwarming to see our frontline support in this country has such a compassionate view on the world.

Long live the met says I.

FatDaz » Thu May 01, 2014 8:42 pm wrote:

Ginga » Thu May 01, 2014 4:55 pm wrote:
Fat Daz. Being an arsehole, so you don't have to.

Being honest hardly makes me an arsehole.

You are an arsehole and he was being honest by telling you.

Lot's of ignorant opinions on drug addiction being bandied about. Personally, i'm not arsed that she passed away but not because she had a drug problem. Because she was a compete nonentity.

Lucien » Thu May 01, 2014 9:41 pm wrote:

Sums her up basically. Phones and heroin > children.

FatDaz » Thu May 01, 2014 1:46 pm wrote:I freely admit I lack compassion and am quite cold and cynical. If you work on a daily basis with criminals, drug addicts, benefit cheats and the lower end of society it's inevitable that sooner or later you stop caring about personal stories.

Everyone has an excuse and story, I've done my share of listening and empathising. I've been lied to, betrayed and had my faith and trust abused so often that I keep a distance now. My cynicism is hard earned from years of experience.

To turn yours and Laga's arguments around onto you, joining the Police was your personal choice, so you get strawberry float all sympathy.

Somebody Else's Problem » Thu May 01, 2014 11:42 pm wrote:

FatDaz » Thu May 01, 2014 1:46 pm wrote:I freely admit I lack compassion and am quite cold and cynical. If you work on a daily basis with criminals, drug addicts, benefit cheats and the lower end of society it's inevitable that sooner or later you stop caring about personal stories.

Everyone has an excuse and story, I've done my share of listening and empathising. I've been lied to, betrayed and had my faith and trust abused so often that I keep a distance now. My cynicism is hard earned from years of experience.

To turn yours and Laga's arguments around onto you, joining the Police was your personal choice, so you get strawberry float all sympathy.

Lagomorph is a copper? I do not believe this statement or I have grossly misinterpreted what you mean.

Pattybean » Thu May 01, 2014 11:28 pm wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem » Thu May 01, 2014 11:42 pm wrote:

FatDaz » Thu May 01, 2014 1:46 pm wrote:I freely admit I lack compassion and am quite cold and cynical. If you work on a daily basis with criminals, drug addicts, benefit cheats and the lower end of society it's inevitable that sooner or later you stop caring about personal stories.

Everyone has an excuse and story, I've done my share of listening and empathising. I've been lied to, betrayed and had my faith and trust abused so often that I keep a distance now. My cynicism is hard earned from years of experience.

To turn yours and Laga's arguments around onto you, joining the Police was your personal choice, so you get strawberry float all sympathy.

Lagomorph is a copper? I do not believe this statement or I have grossly misinterpreted what you mean.

Laga made the argument that because at some point she chose to take heroin, she deserves no sympathy. FatDaz agreed with him. So because FatDaz made the choice to join the police, he also deserves no sympathy, by their logic.

But I'm not sure Daz was looking for sympathy, nor was anybody unduly bestowing any upon him.

On Peaches, I simply don't believe that anybody can take heroin without knowing the likely consequences. People have talked here about escalation, but the bottom line remains that she has made a number of fundamentally selfish decisions based on the pursuit of enjoyment.

Look at good parents everywhere: are they having fun? I don't strawberry floating think so. And that's because they are facing up to their responsibilities.

So tru hun it so tuff bein a fool time mum xxx

Somebody Else's Problem » Thu May 01, 2014 11:42 pm wrote:

FatDaz » Thu May 01, 2014 1:46 pm wrote:I freely admit I lack compassion and am quite cold and cynical. If you work on a daily basis with criminals, drug addicts, benefit cheats and the lower end of society it's inevitable that sooner or later you stop caring about personal stories.

Everyone has an excuse and story, I've done my share of listening and empathising. I've been lied to, betrayed and had my faith and trust abused so often that I keep a distance now. My cynicism is hard earned from years of experience.

To turn yours and Laga's arguments around onto you, joining the Police was your personal choice, so you get strawberry float all sympathy.

Yes it was and I never asked for sympathy nor would I expect it. I was simply explaining why I come across as cold and uncaring with regards to a heroin related death.

I should also point out that just because I don't instantly feel sympathy for people, doesn't mean I'm a gooseberry fool police officer. I know the difference between professionalism and personal opinion. While I may not have sympathy, when I'm working I do all I can to help / listen to their views.

I don't know what others do for a living, but those who work the lower parts of society should probably be able to understand where I'm coming from.

I am surprised by how many people live in a nice middle class bubble and don't realise how broken Britain can be at times. (I was the same before joining police)

Ad7 » Fri May 02, 2014 8:48 am wrote:So tru hun it so tuff bein a fool time mum xxx

Change the strawberry floating record.

Barley » Sat May 03, 2014 12:29 am wrote:

Ad7 » Fri May 02, 2014 8:48 am wrote:So tru hun it so tuff bein a fool time mum xxx

Change the strawberry floating record.

wow unfriend him hun.

Barley » Fri May 02, 2014 12:29 pm wrote:

Ad7 » Fri May 02, 2014 8:48 am wrote:So tru hun it so tuff bein a fool time mum xxx

Change the strawberry floating record.

Ad7 "u ok Hun xx" post in 3...

Lucien » Fri May 02, 2014 11:46 pm wrote:One of her favourite singers was Elliott Smith, who was a heroin addict at one time I believe. She'll have been taking it for some time... she had kids and sacrificed their lives for her own, i.e. I've no real sympathy.

In reality, I have sympathy for every story, I know don't the facts after all, but Peaches is way down there on my general sympathy scale mainly because she had children. If she'd been a heroin user without kids she'd be up higher, but she's the cause of their future grief.

I can see why FatDaz would have less sympathy. I knew a policeman who once found a dead baby in a bag and it changed him dramatically. Here I think he's a bit justified, although I know you also have no sympathy for suicides FatDaz, which imo you should have. 'Mental illness' is going to cause a lot more. But then the people I've known to have died from suicide where amongst the greatest people ever: ER nurses, very intelligent/kind students, etc.

Even that policeman actually, who found the baby, hanged himself less than a year later.

You have no sympathy for people who die from a drugs overdose (if they have kids) but you do for suicides?

Did any of the people you knew who committed suicide have kids? If so, did that change your sympathy?

Where's the RIP Bob Hoskins thread?

I just started reading an article on The Guradian about one of their photographers who has overcome heroin addiction, and I really implore Laga to read it:

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign ... m-macindoe

There's also this page, where you can hear an excerpt from the interview over some of his pictures which is pretty powerful:

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign ... hotography

Well I just finished reading that article and I'm strawberry floating devastated. strawberry float.

That's not a growth » Sat May 03, 2014 1:35 pm wrote:I just started reading an article on The Guradian about one of their photographers who has overcome heroin addiction, and I really implore Laga to read it:

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign ... m-macindoe

There's also this page, where you can hear an excerpt from the interview over some of his pictures which is pretty powerful:

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign ... hotography

Interesting read. Fair play to him overcoming the addiction. That itself is worthy of praise, but then I've met so many heroin addicts who just don't care and any pretence they make to trying to overcome it is a lie. That's the thing about addicts, the lies just get out of control until eventually they just don't know how to be honest.

Nearly all addicts claim they are "trying to quit" but very few actually stick at it. Even after months in prison to clean and detox they nearly always fall back in as soon as they are released. If it's as terrible as they all claim, why do they go back on it even after the physical addiction has gone? Lifestyle choice is probably the reason.

With regards to peaches, she didn't strike me as an addict in the same sense of those I deal with. I'm assuming this is because she had the money to maintain a "normal" appearance. She wasn't ditching food in favour of shooting up, she wasn't stealing from friends and family, she wasn't sharing needles in shitty doss holes. Upper class heroin use is a whole lot more socially acceptable without the stealing!

However she was still exposing her children to danger. She was at times the sole carer for young children and there is a possibility she was under influence. If you've seen someone just after shooting up, they can be in a semi coma like state. Hardly good parenting.