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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:09 pm 
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I've been having an interesting weekend of it with MW3 and Battlefield 3 (both PC). Much against my own advice, I've been spending a fair bit of time with both games in online MP - something I've never previously done. I've had to force myself to do this, as every fibre of my being feels dead-set against the idea. But I felt I had to go and investigate for myself whether playing online really is as unutterably wretched an experience as I feared it might be.

After a full day and a half playing a pretty varied succession of online MP in both titles, I can safely say the results are...mixed, but overall tend to favour my prior expectations; which is to say that although there are definitely small moments of undeniable enjoyment to be found as a noob struggling through unfamiliar maps, these slivers of pleasure are woefully overshadowed by an endless succession of insta-kills from campers, sneaky cheating (I have no other way to explain how I could be murderized through solid concrete walls, well hidden from view) and way too many snipers.

In essence, whatever fun there is to be found (and I'll freely admit there is some) is nullified, for nervous, fumbling noobs like myself, by the way those who have the mad skillz totally dominate, refuse to team play, cheat, exploit, invade 'noob servers' and otherwise undermine what could in all honesty be a great experience. It all feels so...unfriendly. Vicious. Spiteful.

Battlefield 3 offers huge maps with vehicular fun on land, sea and air, whilst MW3 offers tight, high-octane gameplay on much smaller maps, sans vehicles. Both titles look stunning in full flow, although Battlefield 3 consistently outshines MW3 overall, visually. Maps are spectacular across the titles, each very much with the 'wow' factor, visually at least. The sad fact is that none of this matters: stop to gawp at the pretty vistas and within seconds you can expect a bullet through the head from some little gooseberry fool who's been waiting a long time in a quiet corner of the map (probably half a mile away, certainly out of sight: YOU WILL NEVER SEE WHO JUST KILLED YOU BEFORE THEY KILL YOU) for an idiot like me to come strolling along.

Anti-cheat measures seem especially ineffective in MW3. Battlefield 3 feels far more unaffected by exploits and I'm willing to admit my noobness is almost certainly my worst enemy there.

It's very, very sad that neither developer saw fit to include offline training bots on MP maps. I can't think of any good reason why this should be and am left to conclude that they just didn't give a rats. Lazy f*ckers. Look how well it was implemented in Black Ops (Combat Training). The amount of extra gameplay, value for money and time spent with the title is incalculable for people like me who struggle - and always will - with online MP play. As things stand, I know I will set both Battlefield 3 and MW3 aside sooner rather than later. Conversely, I still play Black Ops Combat Mode regularly. I find it highly enjoyable. AI bots simply do not cheat.

Also, MW3 doesn't support the 360 controller on PC at all, whilst Battlefield 3 only does so in a distinctly half-arsed fashion, with many functions just not working when using the controller in-game (and no menu support for the controller at all). Again, lazy f*cking developers - I mean, seriously, why bother half-implementing controller support? Am I missing something?

I've enjoyed my weekend with these kind of MP games (it's been a good experiment), but I am also left in little doubt that MP gaming is just not an enjoyable pastime for me - frustrating, piecemeal gameplay interspersed with moments of absolute rage, inadequacy, a growing sense of pointlessness and nothing much but some embarrassingly low personal stats to show for it all.

Good-looking games, though, both of them. 8-)

PS: I'll probably be dipping in and out of both MP games over the next month to see if I can improve at all and to see whether or not my experience as a whole improves over that time. You'll find me as CalUKGR if you ever want to look me up. It would be nice to see friendly face or two now and again. Assuming I'm not lying face-down in a crater by the time you track me down. :fp: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:13 pm 
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Lack of 360 pad support isn't really lazy. It's more like stopping yourself from shooting yourself in both feet and the face before you've even got going.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:35 pm 
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They're useful for vehicle controls in BF3 to be fair.


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Also, MW3 doesn't support the 360 controller on PC at all, whilst Battlefield 3 only does so in a distinctly half-arsed fashion

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I am also left in little doubt that MP gaming is just not an enjoyable pastime for me - frustrating, piecemeal gameplay interspersed with moments of absolute rage, inadequacy, a growing sense of pointlessness and nothing much but some embarrassingly low personal stats to show for it all.


I'm inclined to say that these two statements are linked. You do not play multiplayer first person shooters on PC with a controller and expect to beat people using mouse & keyboard.

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>Play BF3 for less than two days.
>Expect anything other than embarrassingly low personal stats.

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Why not ease your way into online play using co-op campaign modes like on L4D or SC: Conviction? Benefits of online play with people, but without being against people. Then join some noob-only servers on games which are probably easier to pick up than BF3, TF2 perhaps? Just play as Heavy or Medic, they're easy classes to get to grips with. And just ignore MW3 because that game is a mess.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:06 pm 
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In regards to Battlefield 3...I do hope you stick in there with it. Snipers camp at distance because that's what snipers do...however what I tend to do is tap my 'spot' button in places where I feel I would be vulnerable. All I do is go in to ADS mode and tap away at locations in the distance until I see an orange marker appear.

Once you are experienced at playing on the maps you'll find there are particular places where snipers like to lay low and as you become accustomed to those tight spots spotting will become more efficient and not disrupt you game so much. You'll be able to spot and avoid being hit more often. It will take time but it's a technique I use continuously, even when I'm in a tank I'll keep hitting the spot button to avoid any cheap kills.

It's not 100% successful (people move about and come in and out of view) but it helps to eradicate the frustration by a significant amount.

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Play Survival in MW3. That's pretty great, but bizarrely 2 player only. Totally made for 4 players.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:11 pm 
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In regards to Battlefield 3...I do hope you stick in there with it.


I will continue this online MP experiment for the next month or so. I can see there is some enjoyment to be had if I can just get to an acceptable level of aptitude. Your advice is appreciated.

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Play Survival in MW3. That's pretty great, but bizarrely 2 player only. Totally made for 4 players.


Agreed. Survival in MW3 is fairly enjoyable. But those attack dogs? :fp: I have played a few coop matches in Survival. Much better. Also, 4-player sounds great.

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You'll definitely enjoy BF3 more if you play in a squad. My general rule is check who's online, if people are playing BF3, get involved. Nobody playing BF3, then it's CoD time.


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Stick with Battlefield Cal it's got a lot of depth and the maps are big enough for you to find a role to suit your play style.

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Sent you a friend request on Battlelog, Cal :)


Thanks, I'll look out for it.

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Stick with Battlefield Cal it's got a lot of depth and the maps are big enough for you to find a role to suit your play style.


Yep, I think you're right. I quite enjoy the vehicle stuff - despite the problems with the 360 controller implementation on the rest of the game, it's actually very good for flying helicopters and driving jeeps and tanks. Those are things I can actually do quite well. :lol:

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Yep, being in a tank or manning the gun of an attack helicopter is awesome once you get used to it.

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It's very, very sad that neither developer saw fit to include offline training bots on MP maps. I can't think of any good reason why this should be and am left to conclude that they just didn't give a rats. Lazy f*ckers. Look how well it was implemented in Black Ops (Combat Training). The amount of extra gameplay, value for money and time spent with the title is incalculable for people like me who struggle - and always will - with online MP play.


Pretty much this. I used to enjoy setting up games in perfect dark against bots. Also in Star Wars battlefront. There are a few other games like unreal and quake wars that are bot heavy. I have barely touch MW3 MP, i just cant be arsed with it anymore.

Ive been much more enjoying playing the co-op "horde" modes in Halo and Gears. Im sure ive asked this before but Cal have you played gears horde at all?


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