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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:34 pm 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17118211

Couldn't really find a better place to put it.


Nearly a year after release and the BB Playbook is just getting a native email client, contacts and calendar.

Pathetic. :lol:


edit: Sold 150,000 last quarter. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:21 pm 
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Better late than never I guess. :shifty:

The funny thing about tablets right now is that there still isn't a strong competitor to the iPad. There are a heck of a lot of Android tablets around, but as far as I know their combined market share is still pretty tiny and there's a pathetic amount of tablet optimised apps for them. I don't think the Playbook is about to take the world by storm either, but you can't fault RIM for trying.

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They shouldn't have bothered at all with the Playbook last year and instead concentrated on getting the QNX phones out earlier, rather than the dated OS7 ones.

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I hate Blackberries. They're awful phones, shouldn't be referred to as Smartphones unless you're actually an Enterprise user (which still doesn't give them the right to be horrendous at everything else) and the only reason anyone I know has one is either a) they've got a cheap one or b) they're held hostage by their (stupid) friends and BBM.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:30 am 
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I hate Blackberries. They're awful phones, shouldn't be referred to as Smartphones unless you're actually an Enterprise user (which still doesn't give them the right to be horrendous at everything else) and the only reason anyone I know has one is either a) they've got a cheap one or b) they're held hostage by their (stupid) friends and BBM.


The mrs had to have one as her work phone. I gooseberry fool you not, she got through about 10 of them a year. strawberry floating awful phones, god only knows why they're held in such high regard.

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It has already made a huge difference by eliminating the spinning circle.

There's no beachball of death? So now there's even less indication of when my Mac is not "just working"? I guess that makes it more user friendly.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:17 pm 
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TigaSefi wrote:
It has already made a huge difference by eliminating the spinning circle.

There's no beachball of death? So now there's even less indication of when my Mac is not "just working"? I guess that makes it more user friendly.

I think what he meant was that it no longer beach balled. Although I may be wrong.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:19 pm 
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I see. Considering how often native apps crash to desktop with no error on OSX I wouldn't be surprised if apple just pretended there hasn't been a problem that way.

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Is that the apple equivalent of the windows egg timer?


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I see. Considering how often native apps crash to desktop with no error on OSX I wouldn't be surprised if apple just pretended there hasn't been a problem that way.

It's funny. Now that you mention it, I genuinely can't remember any apps apart from Safari ever crashing at least on Lion. I certainly haven't had any beach balls. When Safari does crash, usually due to a plugin of some sort, it does give me the crash log. Not that I know what to do with it.

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Yes. Except most the time when it happens to me the app dies or even locks up finder, something that rarely ever happened to me even on xp.

Honestly in my experience OSX has been about as stable as xp, on a 2.6ghz core i7 and 4gb ram.

Oh and the xp machine is about 7 years old.

I just find the whole stability argument hilarious. My iPad 2 apps crash about as much as android too.

I can only conclude that all computers are evil.

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Thats quite interesting because it's only now I've realised how stable my three and a half year old iMac has been. Starting out on Leopard, then Snow Leopard and now Lion. I regularly have a clean out by deleting stuff not needed. Onyx is regularly used to keep it ticking over. Maybe that's what has kept it working smoothly.
What sort of crashes and with which apps do you experience?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:45 pm 
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I'm playing devils advocate. Generally all my machines are reliable and work well. I maintain them all. I just find it hugely ironic whenever apple products don't work.

I'm not making a serious comparison.

One thing that does really annoy me about OSX tho is when it won't shut down because an app has blocked the shutdown process or whatever. I don't strawberry floating care, just terminate the app, I'm wise enough to have already saved my work! So i close the lid and the laptop sleeps instead. Next day I boot up and have critical battery but haven't got my charger, and I can't write my dissertation. Argh!

I wish there was a hibernate/deep sleep option.

Why should having excess programs slow down your computer? Sounds like a myth from 15 years ago, like excess boiler pressure in your ram. It doesnt make sense. Everyone who has a slow mac blames themselves with that and I don't get it. As long as you have enough hard disk space it shouldn't be a problem. If it is there's a problem with the file system or whatever equivalent to the registry there is for OSX. and who's fault is that?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:48 pm 
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I'm playing devils advocate. Generally all my machines are reliable and work well. I maintain them all. I just find it hugely ironic whenever apple products don't work.

I'm not making a serious comparison.

One thing that does really annoy me about OSX tho is when it won't shut down because an app has blocked the shutdown process or whatever. I don't strawberry floating care, just terminate the app, I'm wise enough to have already saved my work! So i close the lid and the laptop sleeps instead. Next day I boot up and have critical battery but haven't got my charger, and I can't write my dissertation. Argh!

I wish there was a hibernate/deep sleep option.

Why should having excess program's slow down your computer? Sounds like s myth from 15 years ago, like excess boiler pressure.

How does it prevent the shutdown? Do you mean when it asks you to close the app or does it cause some sort of error? The only thing I can think of is if iTunes is connected to AppleTV or something. It'll remind you that you're connected to other things.


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Man, Jdownloader does that all the time. Tell the mac to shut down when it's still open and it's all "Jdownloader has cancelled shutdown!" and then Jdownloader closes itself anyway but the computer doesn't shut down as Jdownloader interrupted it. It's just lazy/incompetent programming on the part of whoever makes the app, I think.

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It's usually Evernote, even when its sync is finished and everything is saved. But the error doesn't show up for ages. If a shutdown process has been initiated I want to just close my laptop and put it in my bag, and expect it to turn off. Not fail for whatever reason and go to sleep instead.

It's happened with other random apps I can't remember. My point is I'd rather OSX just terminate the process as I've already told the computer I am done and want to switch off. I don't care about unsaved data etc, I will have dealt with that.

On xp there is a switch in the registry to terminate programs "end now" automatically in this instance. Anything i can do in terminal?

If you don't enable that in windows then it will just end all tasks after x time and shutdown. Why can't OSX do that?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:00 pm 
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I can only conclude that all computers are evil.

Given what I know about electronics, I'm actually more surprised that they work at all, never mind as well as they do.


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Me too. Which is why I actually cry when I see people seriously arguing about which is better.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:36 am 
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When I am talking abut the beachball of death on Lion. It would happen ALL the time. Open up Chrome... took years. Opening up the laptop = Forget it....

Installed Mountain Lion, I can work from opening a laptop immediately. The difference is incredible.

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I'm playing devils advocate. Generally all my machines are reliable and work well. I maintain them all. I just find it hugely ironic whenever apple products don't work.

I'm not making a serious comparison.

One thing that does really annoy me about OSX tho is when it won't shut down because an app has blocked the shutdown process or whatever. I don't strawberry floating care, just terminate the app, I'm wise enough to have already saved my work! So i close the lid and the laptop sleeps instead. Next day I boot up and have critical battery but haven't got my charger, and I can't write my dissertation. Argh!

I wish there was a hibernate/deep sleep option.

Why should having excess programs slow down your computer? Sounds like a myth from 15 years ago, like excess boiler pressure in your ram. It doesnt make sense. Everyone who has a slow mac blames themselves with that and I don't get it. As long as you have enough hard disk space it shouldn't be a problem. If it is there's a problem with the file system or whatever equivalent to the registry there is for OSX. and who's fault is that?


I could be wrong here, I'm not the resident Mac expert but I do believe Macs get bogged down with disc fragmentation. The file system that OSX uses resists fragmentation, but not perfectly. Having too many large files can bog it down. Maybe you can find a free defrag program to refresh your system?

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