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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:18 pm 
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FWIW I asked Luw to post the hand because I wanted to know what people thought since I didn't know what to do.

I think you completely miss the point. As has been your problem since before I can remember, you don't listen.

If you really want I can take my time and break it down for you but the 80% is nothing to do with the word marginal. I think you're confusing concepts here. There's more than one way to win chips in a hand, not just getting it all in preflop.



I do listen - I want to listen - but can you do it without the arrogance, without the telling me what I'm like? You've never even met me, have no idea how I play - so don't make assumptions yourself. Explain to me without the 'bully' aspect and I'll happily listen. I despise anyone talking down to anyone EVER. Do that with me in real life, and you've lost me full stop. Its my hugest pet hate.

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I would say as much as it might be a +EV spot (the majority of the time) - the likelyhood that you will get a much better spot later are surely +EV. You definitely don't want him to call, and with too many calling stations out there willing to call with A-J, A-10 etc I would err on the side of caution. You don't neccesarily have to take down every hand when you are ahead, make every single best possible decision - just take the ones that lead you to being propelled to win. I am not a fan of K-Q, and especially K-Qo - thats a hand I'd want to be shipping, not be re-shipping over some-one else.

I basically agree with this. Even if it's a tiny bit more +ev to make the shove, i'd rather skip it and find much better spots later on.

Although if it is a 180-man and you are 6-tabling them or something then i'l be more likely to do the shove, but in a scheduled MTT I think I play safe and wait for a better chance.

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I'm happy shoving there. Fact is while the structure in the 4.50's is decent you still need to take every chance you can get to accumulate chips late on. As we can see in the HH the guy's not been overly tight and while the hand sample of 1.1k hands for Luw doesn't tell us how he's been playing in this particular game, it's probably a safe guess to think he hasn't been out of line too much, so he probably won't get looked up too light.

Those of you folding here, what's the worst hand you get in with?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:27 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:49 am 
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Came 11th in the 17.5k for $16X

Quite annoying since like 4k for first but nvm.

PS GG Luw. What a staking decision! He just took another one down. :mrgreen:

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I've only gone and done it again!

2 wins in 20 (that's 2 wins, 1 6th place and 5 min cashes!) . Once again staked by rex. Some hands for ya:

My bet sizing is wayyyyyy off on the river:

PokerStars Game #65499976780: Tournament #422773474, $4.10+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1500/3000) - 2011/08/04 2:32:41 WET [2011/08/03 21:32:41 ET]
Table '422773474 8' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Luwinski (78150 in chips)
Seat 3: MacSam181 (87350 in chips)
Seat 5: obivanas (32300 in chips)
Seat 8: 10 rubley (72200 in chips)
Luwinski: posts the ante 300
MacSam181: posts the ante 300
obivanas: posts the ante 300
10 rubley: posts the ante 300
Luwinski: posts small blind 1500
MacSam181: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Luwinski [2d 5d]
obivanas: folds
10 rubley: calls 3000
Luwinski: calls 1500
MacSam181: checks
*** FLOP *** [4d 3c Kd]
Luwinski: bets 7500
MacSam181: folds
10 rubley: calls 7500
*** TURN *** [4d 3c Kd] [As]
Luwinski: bets 11000
10 rubley: calls 11000
*** RIVER *** [4d 3c Kd As] [2s]
Luwinski: bets 19000
10 rubley: calls 19000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Luwinski: shows [2d 5d] (a straight, Ace to Five)
10 rubley: mucks hand
Luwinski collected 85200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 85200 | Rake 0
Board [4d 3c Kd As 2s]
Seat 1: Luwinski (small blind) showed [2d 5d] and won (85200) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 3: MacSam181 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: obivanas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 10 rubley (button) mucked [Ad Jd]


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PokerStars Game #65500069608: Tournament #422773474, $4.10+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1500/3000) - 2011/08/04 2:36:03 WET [2011/08/03 21:36:03 ET]
Table '422773474 8' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Luwinski (103150 in chips)
Seat 3: MacSam181 (110050 in chips)
Seat 8: 10 rubley (56800 in chips)
Luwinski: posts the ante 300
MacSam181: posts the ante 300
10 rubley: posts the ante 300
MacSam181: posts small blind 1500
10 rubley: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Luwinski [Ts Ks]
Luwinski: raises 3000 to 6000
MacSam181: raises 9000 to 15000
10 rubley: folds
Luwinski: calls 9000
*** FLOP *** [Kd Kh 4c]
MacSam181: bets 94750 and is all-in
Luwinski: calls 87850 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (6900) returned to MacSam181
*** TURN *** [Kd Kh 4c] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [Kd Kh 4c 5h] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MacSam181: shows [Ah Tc] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
Luwinski: shows [Ts Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Fives)
Luwinski collected 209600 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 209600 | Rake 0
Board [Kd Kh 4c 5h 5s]
Seat 1: Luwinski (button) showed [Ts Ks] and won (209600) with a full house, Kings full of Fives
Seat 3: MacSam181 (small blind) showed [Ah Tc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 8: 10 rubley (big blind) folded before Flop


Last hand of the tournament taken down with my favourite hand.

PokerStars Game #65500233577: Tournament #422773474, $4.10+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (2000/4000) - 2011/08/04 2:42:05 WET [2011/08/03 21:42:05 ET]
Table '422773474 8' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Luwinski (202380 in chips)
Seat 8: 10 rubley (67620 in chips)
Luwinski: posts the ante 400
10 rubley: posts the ante 400
Luwinski: posts small blind 2000
10 rubley: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Luwinski [Ad Ah]
Luwinski: raises 4000 to 8000
10 rubley: calls 4000
*** FLOP *** [9s 2s 2h]
10 rubley: checks
Luwinski: bets 10111
10 rubley: raises 49109 to 59220 and is all-in
Luwinski: calls 49109
*** TURN *** [9s 2s 2h] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [9s 2s 2h 3h] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
10 rubley: shows [Js 6s] (two pair, Nines and Deuces)
Luwinski: shows [Ad Ah] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
Luwinski collected 135240 from pot
10 rubley finished the tournament in 2nd place and received $147.60.
Luwinski wins the tournament and receives $221.47 - congratulations!
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 135240 | Rake 0
Board [9s 2s 2h 3h 9d]
Seat 1: Luwinski (button) (small blind) showed [Ad Ah] and won (135240) with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 8: 10 rubley (big blind) showed [Js 6s] and lost with two pair, Nines and Deuces


This final table was exceedingly soft. 'Fold and shake hands' - it was that easy. (Quote rex requote a famous poker player)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:51 am 
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Can just check my thoughts on Luw's first hand. I was watching it live and said he should have be more on the river. I felt that after the guy called the turn his range had busted flushes and top pair/2nd pair hands in it. I felt if he was calling his bet he was calling much more, otherwise folding so bet big to maximise value when he has something.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:01 pm 
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I think he shouldn't be completing that hand. It's 5 high just pitch it and save the SB.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:14 pm 
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I realised that too when reviewing it but that aside?

ul in the 10k last night btw.

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Sorry to break topic but this needs to be finalised ASAP without leaving it to the last minute.

Rex McGee wrote:
http://www.grosvenorukpokertour.com/Prizes/Goliath/

Anyone consider this? You can stay at ours (in Coventry) and we could provide transport to the venue as well.

For the record I am definitely in but I can only play Day C. I'll be taking the Friday off of work and travelling up to Coventry on Thursday evening. Thankfully I won't need to rush back thanks to it being a bank holiday weekend.

What happened in this 10k?

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I would play that tournament, but I think I'd need to be staked half of the amount to really be able to justify it, at least. Might have to give it a miss.

EDIT - Just checked train costs, will probably have to give it a miss :(

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Rex might stake you. Probably the only one who could afford to!

Just checked the trains - I can get there and back for under £25 total which is pretty sweet, I'll book the tickets tonight. I'll sort out my leave at work tomorrow.

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I have one of the G casino dealers on facebook. I've asked them if we can pre reg for 1C.

I could take some action.

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Drumstick wrote:
Sorry to break topic but this needs to be finalised ASAP without leaving it to the last minute.

Rex McGee wrote:
http://www.grosvenorukpokertour.com/Prizes/Goliath/

Anyone consider this? You can stay at ours (in Coventry) and we could provide transport to the venue as well.

For the record I am definitely in but I can only play Day C. I'll be taking the Friday off of work and travelling up to Coventry on Thursday evening. Thankfully I won't need to rush back thanks to it being a bank holiday weekend.

What happened in this 10k?


Nothing bad, I got tilted though because I got a message from the online chat telling me at about 12:30 there'd be a server restart at 3. Now the 30r usually finishes about 3:30. So I tried to talk to customer support but didn't get a resposne for 40 minutes then gave up. So I figured I'd try to secure the min cash rather than go for the win because I'd be disconnected at the FT anyway so I got really tight and pissed off.

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Was also massively pissed at that message. It's pretty stupid that they can send that message out so late. I'd be in the 17.5 for 4 hours and I get a message saying in 2 hours the servers will be down for WHill. Again no response from the chat operators. Pretty terrible service really.

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Was also massively pissed at that message. It's pretty stupid that they can send that message out so late. I'd be in the 17.5 for 4 hours and I get a message saying in 2 hours the servers will be down for WHill. Again no response from the chat operators. Pretty terrible service really.

It's a pity Celeste is no longer your personal WH advisor.

I'd deffo be looking to sell some of my action, for anyone who might be interested. Probably around the 50% marker.

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I'm good to buy but I am not taking like £50 from everyone. Just pointing that out in advance.

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Drumstick wrote:
Sorry to break topic but this needs to be finalised ASAP without leaving it to the last minute.

Rex McGee wrote:
http://www.grosvenorukpokertour.com/Prizes/Goliath/

Anyone consider this? You can stay at ours (in Coventry) and we could provide transport to the venue as well.

For the record I am definitely in but I can only play Day C. I'll be taking the Friday off of work and travelling up to Coventry on Thursday evening. Thankfully I won't need to rush back thanks to it being a bank holiday weekend.

Count me in too for the Friday. Should be a good weekend. :D

Edit: I'd probably sell/trade up to 30% of my action, but we can sort that out closer to the time.

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Was also massively pissed at that message. It's pretty stupid that they can send that message out so late. I'd be in the 17.5 for 4 hours and I get a message saying in 2 hours the servers will be down for WHill. Again no response from the chat operators. Pretty terrible service really.



I just sent a complaint email off. Usually they're quite good at repsonding to them. I'd love to go down to the goliath but I don't think the buyin justifys the costs involved.

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Let us know how the email goes. I might need to send one. ;)

How far are you? There aren't too many costs. Rake etc are big but we can host a few people at ours for free. It's also fun meeting with everyone. Looking forward to it already.

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