Thought I'd create a separate thread for Pokémon Black and White, to list all of the friends codes of people who have these and also to discuss the possibility of doing a tournament at a later date.

Perhaps a bit later when people have had chance to build a team of Lv100s, would anyone else be up for doing a battle tournament? Maybe just a straight knock out thing with ties being picked 'out of a hat' so to speak. We can work out rules and regulations etc if there is enough interest in doing it, so for now if anyone is interested simply reply in the thread.

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I'd say no EV'd pokemon, no legendaries and no Wubuffet/Wynauts...

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No EV'd? Mine are all EV'd! Besides EV training is easy if you have a macho brace.

I'd probably agree about Ubers though, if we ban Wobbuffet we should probably ban the rest of the Ubers crowd - Zekrom/ Reshiram/ Kyogre/ Latios/ Garchomp etc

The OU tier on Smogon would probably be the best tier to consider. People can then still use a few legendaries such as Zapdos and co. whilst being able to use some other popular pokés like Snorlax/ Blaziken/ Scizor etc

But we'll see what everyone thinks.

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How would you regulate or know if someone is using EV'd Pokemon? And I'm guessing there'd be level caps?

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And how many people, here, are going to EV train - as much as I love Pokemon games I don't think I can stand fighting 60-70 Pokemon-Xs just to get max EVs.

Besides that, where is the MB in B/W? How would you know? You'd use an EV calculator - it's easy to tell if they're EV'd.

I really hate using legendaries - and people I'm battling using them. Other than those and the Wob family everything else should be fair game. That or run two leagues - one for those not into EVs and IVs and those who are.

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The Macho Brace in black and white is near where you get the event zoroark/ on the way to the version exclusive black city/ white forest. Go to the city near there and walk through the right 'walkthrough point'. There is a karate guy in there that gives it to you if I remember right.

It's not really my fault if you can't be arsed to EV train them, if you decide not to that's surely up to you but banning it is a bit silly.

Level caps is soething the game does automatically, pretty sure you should be able to set it to a max lv of 50 or 100 but the game does that automatically, i.e. if your pokemon is lv70 in a lv50 fight it will be brought down to lv50 but I think for lv100 bouts your whole team would need to be lv100. I think!

I'm not against not using legends but I don't see why you are against using them. Some third stage evoutions actually have higher stat totals than some legends. For instance Tyranitar, Dragonite, Salamence and co can quite easily stand up to legendaries like zappy, moltres, articuno etc etc

On a related note regarding EV-in, I'd be quite happy to post up a guide how to do it for anyone that is interested. It's very easy to do and easy to explain. It basically just means you are directing effort points into the stats you want them to go in. For example, it'd be pointless having special attack EVs going into a pokemon using no special attacks so you just avoid fighting pokémon who give special attack EVs. Macho Brace gives double the amount of EVs you usually get from the battle - at the cost of a temporary loss of speed while the item is held. Like I said if anyone wants a more detailed walkthrough of EV training I'm happy to explain..

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Then it wont really be a tournament - it will be people with movesets, EVs and natures from Smogon/some other website. There's no real fun in that. Plus, I would guess, most people simply aren't going to put in the time required to EV train an entire team... and if they do it will push the tournament further on. It will also put people off if they know that other people have EV trained Pokemon whilst they do not.

If you really want a true competitive competition may I suggest that GR isn't the best place for it.

I know that some legends have lower stat bases than other Pokemon... I also know that most of them have dual types that 'normal' Pokemon do not have... I never have and never will use legendaries - I guess it's ok if other people do though.

And Pokerus doubles that, so from a Zubat - instead of getting +1 Speed, you'd get 4 (1x2x2 - EV x Macho x Pokerus). You'd still need to fight 63 Zubats to get 252 EVs.

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Obviously I can and will battle people from other forums as well but I thought it'd be cool to look into doing one on here.

EV-ing is just a benefit if you are prepared to put the effort in. It doesn't even take that long really - maybe 30-45 mins. What I normally do is this (example of one I did recently)

Event Shiny Entei
Adamant
> Extremespeed
> Flare Blitz
> Stone Edge
> Iron Head/ Howl

252 attack EVs/ 252 speed EVs and 6 HP EVs

Note the max EVs every pokemon can have in total is 510
, and the most in any one stat can be 254 (I think) but only 252 of those are effective. Basically this is because 4 EVs = 1 stat and 252 is the nearest divisible by 4.

Anyway so I know what EVs I want, then what I do is go out and buy 10 Proteins (gives 100 EVs in Attack) and 10 Carbos (gives 100 EVs in speed) which you give them before you start any battling. This leaves me with 152/152/6 to go. So I put macho brace on entei (I don't use pokerus myself) the 6HP EVs is easy, in HG/SS, I would just go and defeat 3 wild Slowpokes whilst holding macho brace. Slowpoke gives 1 HP EV, macho brace doubles that so in the end it's a simple 3x2=6. Slowpokes appear all the time surfing in the water just inside the slowpoke cave. For speed EVs I go to the Diglett cave in HG/SS. I want 152 speed EVs, and diglett is worth 1 speed EV - 2 when holding macho brace. So 152/ 2 = 76 Digletts. I then just mark them off in 5s on a piece of paper until I have 76. Only diglett appears in that cave so it's a great place to EV train speed in that game. You get the occassional Dugtrio, which is worth 2 speed EVs (4 with macho brace) so you can kill those too, just make sure to mark it off as if it were two dittos rather than one if you do - alternatively just run away from the Dugtrios.

For 152 attack EVs, the best place is the water you surf over just to the right of the city where you get Ho-Oh in G/SS. There are goldeens and seakings only in there. Goldeen is worth 1 attack EV, seaking is worth 2 attack EVs - the same as with diglett and dugtrio in speed before. So I'm still wearing macho brace on Entei and proceed to defeat 76 Goldeens. EV Training complete. Then you can ditch the macho brace an battle whatever you want to level up - elite 4 is good to recoup the money you spent on buying the 20 vitamins to begin the process.

Who said pokémon was a kids game?

The point is, it's a bit silly to ban EV-ing - because it's like a reward for people who want to do that more than anything. If you don't EV train, it doesn't make your pokemon any weaker necessarily, it just means your effor points will be distributed throughout various stats whereas mine are concentrated into the stats I want them in. Might may work out faster and stronger but weaker defensively.

Also you obviously don't have to follow whatever is on smogon or gamefaqs, if you want to add a bit extra into defenses and such there's nothing stopping nyone from doing that.

PokéRus also doubles it. So if you can use pokerus and macho brace you wll get 4x the EVs, but I personally just use Macho Brace.

EV training is useful to know but it isn't the be all and end all. Also the dual typing thing is a load of nonsense, thee are many examples of non-legendaries who are also dual types:

Tyranitar = dark/ rock
Venusaur = poison/ grass
Empoleon = water/ steel
Charizard = fire/ flying
Salamence = dragon/ flying
Garchomp = dragon/ ground
Blaziken = fire/ fighting
Swampert = water/ ground

etc etc

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They're hardly unique dual typings, are they? Water/ground? Grass/Poison? Dragon/Flying? No, these are more common than most of the legendary typings. So no, it's not a load of nonsense.

The Vitamin thing is ok, but 200,000 for every 2 stats? You'd have to build up a hefty amount of Poke$ to do it regularly.

Anyway, I'll probably give it a go now that there's an IV checker in the game - I'm not bothered about the best stats, just good ones.

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I don't know. Charizard shares the same typing as Ho-Oh/ Moltres. Salamence shares the same typing as Rayquaza. There are plenty of single type legendaries too - Mewtwo (Psychic), Darkrai (Dark), Kyogre (Water), Groudon (Ground), Mew (Psychic). To me the whole thing is irrelevant, you try and make the most balanced team possible no matter what sort of pokémon you are using just as you do in game progressing through the story.

The vitamins are obviously expensive to buy 20 but it saves a bit of time and it's not like you have much other use for the money when the credits/have rolled and you have all your TMs etc so at some point you are going to be rolling in it. 300 hours on HG/SS amassed alot of moola! I should also add each pokemon can only have 20 vitamins (max of 10 in one stat and you need to make sure you give this right at the beginning before starting to pick up any exp. from battles if you are using vitamins)

The best stats issue is something different from EVs, that's IVs - and that's where things can get a little more complicated (as if they weren't enough already). I think the difference between a flawless 31 IV and a minimum 0 IV should be 31 stats. Difference between 31 and 30 would be 1 stat. I think anyway. I think it might depend on what each pokémon's base stats might be as to what the difference in the amount of stats is but not entirely sure on that. Either way EV training is relatively simple and finding one with a decent nature isn't too hard.

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Looks like I'll be EV training then.

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Nice. I hadn't looked at the best places to EV train in Black and White yet so you just saved me a job!

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Wheres the IV checker in game?

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He's in the Gear Station.

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