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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:45 pm 
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Oh dear Laga. :fp:

I don't know what's more distressing; the fact that you've misspelt the word or the fact that you think footballers are overpaid.

Or the fact that you think Messi is a stereotypically thick footballer.

Meh, a typo. Fixed it now.

And all footballers are stereotypically thick. Otherwise they'd have real jobs that actually contributed something to society.


Please stop posting.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:46 pm 
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So how about that Sean Penn bloke?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:47 pm 
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Just posting here to say this: Sean Bean>>Sean Penn.

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Lagamorph wrote:
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Oh dear Laga. :fp:

I don't know what's more distressing; the fact that you've misspelt the word or the fact that you think footballers are overpaid.

Or the fact that you think Messi is a stereotypically thick footballer.

Meh, a typo. Fixed it now.

And all footballers are stereotypically thick. Otherwise they'd have real jobs that actually contributed something to society.


Please stop posting.

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Fast reply. Oke obviously this forum means the world to you. Keep posting.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:49 pm 
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Dblock wrote:
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Oh dear Laga. :fp:

I don't know what's more distressing; the fact that you've misspelt the word or the fact that you think footballers are overpaid.

Or the fact that you think Messi is a stereotypically thick footballer.

Meh, a typo. Fixed it now.

And all footballers are stereotypically thick. Otherwise they'd have real jobs that actually contributed something to society.


Please stop posting.

Thanks.

No.


Fast reply. Oke obviously this forum means the world to you. Keep posting.

I don't think you can make a fast reply that's criticising someone else for a fast reply and still claim the high ground :fp:


Back on topic, came across this great quote whilst browsing around,
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Over at the Telegraph, Tim Stanley, a professor of United States history at Oxford (he is working on a biography of Pat Buchanan), had come up with a novel riposte: Sean Penn, he said, should give up the keys to his Malibu estate, which, he argued, actually belongs to Mexico. “America’s claim over Malibu is tenuous and rooted in patriarchy,” he wrote, mimicking Penn’s tone. “Sean Penn’s house is a mocking reminder of that brute chauvinism, with its high white walls and spacious interiors. Its swimming pool is an insult to the honor of the Mexican people

:lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:54 pm 
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Just posting here to say this: Sean Bean>>Sean Penn.


Sean Bean is insulted that you felt that needed posting.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:02 pm 
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And all footballers are stereotypically thick. Otherwise they'd have real jobs that actually contributed something to society.


Entertainment is just as valid a contribution to society as anything else.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:04 pm 
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And all footballers are stereotypically thick. Otherwise they'd have real jobs that actually contributed something to society.


Entertainment is just as valid a contribution to society as anything else.

On that kind of pay they're probably draining more than they're contributing with the way ticket prices have to go up to compensate, leaving supporters with less money to spend elsewhere and bolster the economy.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:04 pm 
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Oh dear Laga. :fp:

I don't know what's more distressing; the fact that you've misspelt the word or the fact that you think footballers are overpaid.

Or the fact that you think Messi is a stereotypically thick footballer.

Meh, a typo. Fixed it now.

And all footballers are stereotypically thick. Otherwise they'd have real jobs that actually contributed something to society.


Oh dear, you're being serious?

Think about how many people love football and watch it on an.almost daily basis. Do you still think they contribute nothing to society?

Come on, don't let your personal dislike of football cloud your judgement here.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:07 pm 
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And all footballers are stereotypically thick. Otherwise they'd have real jobs that actually contributed something to society.


Entertainment is just as valid a contribution to society as anything else.

On that kind of pay they're probably draining more than they're contributing with the way ticket prices have to go up to compensate, leaving supporters with less money to spend elsewhere and bolster the economy.


And yet the supporters continue to pay. That's how demand works. If it was too much, they wouldn't pay.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:10 pm 
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You feel the same way about actors and musicians I hope.


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You feel the same way about actors and musicians I hope.


No, just things he doesn't personally enjoy.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:19 pm 
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You feel the same way about actors and musicians I hope.


No, just things he doesn't personally enjoy.

I do feel the same way about actors and musicians actually. Massively overpaid and it's the consumer that suffers to fund it.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:19 pm 
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You feel the same way about actors and musicians I hope.


No, just things he doesn't personally enjoy.

I do feel the same way about actors and musicians actually.


Then you're an idiot with no clue how markets or consumers work.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:20 pm 
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Back on topic, came across this great quote whilst browsing around,
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Over at the Telegraph, Tim Stanley, a professor of United States history at Oxford (he is working on a biography of Pat Buchanan), had come up with a novel riposte: Sean Penn, he said, should give up the keys to his Malibu estate, which, he argued, actually belongs to Mexico. “America’s claim over Malibu is tenuous and rooted in patriarchy,” he wrote, mimicking Penn’s tone. “Sean Penn’s house is a mocking reminder of that brute chauvinism, with its high white walls and spacious interiors. Its swimming pool is an insult to the honor of the Mexican people

:lol:


:lol: gooseberry fool, that's really good!


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:23 pm 
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Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
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You feel the same way about actors and musicians I hope.


No, just things he doesn't personally enjoy.

I do feel the same way about actors and musicians actually.


Then you're an idiot with no clue how markets or consumers work.

I just don't like being ripped off so that some moron can go around spouting nonsense like Sean Penn.

I never understand how people can complain about the pay of people like MP's, yet say nothing about footballers, actors and musicians.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:25 pm 
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I never understand how people can complain about the pay of people like MP's, yet say nothing about footballers, actors and musicians.


With MPs, we don't have a choice but to pay. With footballers, actors and musicians, we do.

I never understand people who resent others who have more money than them.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:34 pm 
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I never understand how people can complain about the pay of people like MP's, yet say nothing about footballers, actors and musicians.


With MPs, we don't have a choice but to pay. With footballers, actors and musicians, we do.

I never understand people who resent others who have more money than them.

With footballers, I'd have to go out of my way to make sure I don't contribute towards them. It isn't just ticket sales that fund them after all. If I buy a product from a company that sponsors a football team, chances are that product is more expensive as a result of that sponsorship. It'd be just as hard to avoid contributing towards a footballers pay as it would to an MP's pay.

Besides, the average MP earns what, £62,000 a year? Premiership footballers make than in barely 2 weeks, less than a week in some cases.


I don't resent someone just because they have more money than me. My boss has more money than me, but I don't resent him for it. At least he has to work more than 4 or 5 hours a week for his money and doesn't steal that little bit more from football supporters every year by putting up ticket prices.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:38 pm 
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I never understand how people can complain about the pay of people like MP's, yet say nothing about footballers, actors and musicians.


With MPs, we don't have a choice but to pay. With footballers, actors and musicians, we do.

I never understand people who resent others who have more money than them.


People complain about footballers pay all the time. I can see where they are coming from but I would like to know what kind of method should be used to determine what peoples value to society is and to do this would take a major change to the whole of society.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:57 pm 
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Am I right in thinking that MPs count as public sector workers, whereas footballers, actors and musicians are all the private sector? That's why it is also impossible to compare the wage of a nurse to that of a footballer. And that is before you take into account loads of other factors (maybe 1% of the population could ever be a world class professional football, but most could theorectically become a nurse... or that the vast amounts of money that goes into football, effectively, means that they can pay people so much).

Also, you do realise that Wayne Rooney, on £250k a week will be in the highest tax bracket and, as a result, pay more tax a year that pretty much everyone here put together? Yet that wage is a drain on the economy, apparently.

It's such an easy, tired argument that footballers get paid too much. It's all relative to the money circling around the industry as a whole. Football clubs are billion pound organisations, and so pay people in the hundreds of thousands per week. You could argue that clubs shouldn't be able to get into the red within the game, but the vast majority of the clubs pay their "staff" that much, because they can afford to, and the money going in sustains them.


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