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NickSCFC
 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:16 am 
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A gooseberry fool full-blown PC, though. Tablet hardware usually doesn't... indeed, CAN'T offer a whole lot of grunt. I mean, there's some interesting potential there, but Tablet hardware isn't really ready to offer it yet.

There's not much you can do with Windows running natively on the tablet that you couldn't do with remote desktop running as an app on Android or iOS.


I did say future tablets.


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What's the attraction in having a full version of Windows for tablet?


Well compare iOS/Android to OSX/Windows, not that hard to see the attraction provided it's modified to be touch friendly.


Still not feeling it.

I've got a tablet, and I use it as a couch surfer. I honestly can't see why I'd want to use one with a fully featured OS. What's the point? All I use it for is a bit of surfing and some Youtube videos.


Well some people don't like to waste money on countless devices that do the same thing. Not everyone's a tech geek who wants everything that comes out.


If you want a device which does everything, buy a laptop. Tablets aren't the answer. Unless you get a tablet with a keyboard, ergo a laptop. :lol: Or one of those laptops with a touchscreen where you can fold it so it looks like a tablet.

For any sort of work which requires prolonged use with a keyb, or if you're doing something which requires heavy processing, a tablet as an 'all in one' device is not the answer. Even with Windows 8 on it.


Bingo! Connect a wireless/USB keyboard and wireless mouse and your future tablet becomes a full blown PC. It's better than Apple and Google's draconian vision of future computing.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:20 am 
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A gooseberry fool full-blown PC, though. Tablet hardware usually doesn't... indeed, CAN'T offer a whole lot of grunt. I mean, there's some interesting potential there, but Tablet hardware isn't really ready to offer it yet.

There's not much you can do with Windows running natively on the tablet that you couldn't do with remote desktop running as an app on Android or iOS.


I did say future tablets.


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Doesn't matter, because we'll all want to do stuff on our FUTURE PCs which will be beyond the scope of FUTURE tablets.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:25 am 
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But if your requirements are no more than a current day office/media PC then having full Windows on future tablets won't exactly be pointless will it.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:27 am 
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But if your requirements are no more than a current day office/media PC then having full Windows on future tablets won't exactly be pointless will it.


Bingo!

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They'll be okay for your 'light' computer user, but as a replacement for a proper computer? Nah.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:29 am 
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But if your requirements are no more than a current day office/media PC then having full Windows on future tablets won't exactly be pointless will it.


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They'll be okay for your 'light' computer user, but as a replacement for a proper computer? Nah.


Again not everyone wants a computer that is capable of running Crysis with all the features.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:35 am 
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But if your requirements are no more than a current day office/media PC then having full Windows on future tablets won't exactly be pointless will it.


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They'll be okay for your 'light' computer user, but as a replacement for a proper computer? Nah.


Again not everyone wants a computer that is capable of running Crysis with all the features.



I purposely didn't mention games, although I could have done. :fp: Fact is, tablets by their very nature are always going to be behind full blown PCs. Now some people don't require alot of computing power, people who surf the internet, write emails watch the occasional video. So the computing power in a tablet would be perfect adequate for them. Hence why I said 'light' users.

Besides, if you'd be better off with low power laptop than a tablet as an all one PC. Less portable, yes. But more comfortable to work on and considerably cheaper.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:37 am 
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NickSCFC wrote:
But if your requirements are no more than a current day office/media PC then having full Windows on future tablets won't exactly be pointless will it.

But you can do most if not all of those things on current tablets without a full install of Windows. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:38 am 
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There are so many UI considerations for tablets because of the fact that your screen is both your input and your display, having something like a full blown version of windows on it is never going to be that great in comparison to using it on a proper PC.

Multitasking is still the bane of tablets. Even if you manage to get enough grunt in the thing to do it properly, the UI still makes it a considerably worse experience to just jumping between them with a mouse and a taskbar.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:39 am 
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I've seen a few prototype designs of tablet/laptop hybrids where the keyboard slides from behind the screen similar to mobiles, except they fold out like a laptop. I'll try to find a link later.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:39 am 
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I'm still waiting for tablets as an input/output device for the desktop PC, to be honest, rather than as standalone systems.
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:45 am 
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I'm still waiting for tablets as an input/output device for the desktop PC, to be honest, rather than as standalone systems.


Yeah it definitely wasn't one of those, fowl hideous creations.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:47 am 
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There are so many UI considerations for tablets because of the fact that your screen is both your input and your display, having something like a full blown version of windows on it is never going to be that great in comparison to using it on a proper PC.

Multitasking is still the bane of tablets. Even if you manage to get enough grunt in the thing to do it properly, the UI still makes it a considerably worse experience to just jumping between them with a mouse and a taskbar.


Despite Apple's attempts to steer the future of tablets into a mobile phone direction, there isn't anything stopping companies from letting your use a mouse with your tablet if it's needed.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:49 am 
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It was just the first google result for "flip tablet". I have to admit that it's a clever design, though I wouldn't want one from Dell either.
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:51 am 
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If Apples macbook air can be that thin and have that much power in it, I can see the future of tablets being very bright and very powerful to the point that the power difference between pcs and tablets won't be a problem, in the same way that consoles this gen can run pc games on low settings and still look good, while PCs can max gooseberry fool out and throw pixels down onto your screen like there's no tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:51 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:53 am 
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I'm still waiting for tablets as an input/output device for the desktop PC, to be honest, rather than as standalone systems.


Yeah it definitely wasn't one of those, fowl hideous creations.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:55 am 
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If Apples macbook air can be that thin and have that much power in it, I can see the future of tablets being very bright and very powerful to the point that the power difference between pcs and tablets won't be a problem, in the same way that consoles this gen can run pc games on low settings and still look good, while PCs can max gooseberry fool out and throw pixels down onto your screen like there's no tomorrow.


I should've mentioned that before, I'm surprised Apple haven't yet evolved the design to make a 'Mac Pad'. Obviously OSX would need to be modified to make it more touch friendly, but it's more feasible than people here make out.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:56 am 
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I'm still waiting for tablets as an input/output device for the desktop PC, to be honest, rather than as standalone systems.


Yeah it definitely wasn't one of those, fowl hideous creations.


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Predictive text for ya, damn iOS devices :fp:

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:08 pm 
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RE : Macbook air. Yes, wonderful form factor and as thin as a tablet with considerably more power. However,

They don't have to have a touch screen.

And those strawberry floaters can run very hot. Apple designed it so heat dissipates from the metal case. Not really an option for tablets for obvious reasons.

Speaking of mini PCs, anyone see this?

Zotac Zbox Nano AD10 Plus HTPC

http://techreport.com/articles.x/21556

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:32 pm 
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/09/windows-8-boot-time-to-be-drastically-reduced-shown-off-in-vide/?m=false

I'm impressed, will no doubt be back to 20 odd seconds once you've had your laptop for a month or two.


That's bullshit.

That's booting from a fresh installation on an SSD.

That will not be the standard experience.

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