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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:11 pm 
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Foolish girl, do you think the Thalmor will let them worship whatever they want when they rule all of Tamriel?


The true Sons and Daughters of Skyrim fight for the Empire.

I've not actually joined either side yet, but I'm playing as a character that's going to join the Stormcloacks, but I assumed that in doing that, you'd also be fighting the Thalmor. I've seen Thalmor groups fighting with Stormcloak groups already, and in the Grey-mane Battle-born quest you get in one of the towns, the family siding with the Empire send the other, Stormcloak supporting family's son off to the Thalmor.

Is this not the case?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:03 pm 
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^^ See above. ^^


Was just doing the Forsworn Conspiracy. First time I tried it I killed everyone in Nepos' house and then every single guard in Markath attacked me. Then when I get to the guy at the end back at the Temple he's bloody dead. :fp: Reloaded and now even if I pickpocket him the guy is still dead. Need to reload back quite a way, I think. :x

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:11 pm 
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Got jumped by a Dark Brotherhood assassin. I can't even think who I could have pissed off so far to get them to send an assassin after me.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:15 pm 
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I've had about 5 of them come after me. :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:20 pm 
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Harry Bizzle wrote:
Was just doing the Forsworn Conspiracy. First time I tried it I killed everyone in Nepos' house and then every single guard in Markath attacked me. Then when I get to the guy at the end back at the Temple he's bloody dead. :fp: Reloaded and now even if I pickpocket him the guy is still dead. Need to reload back quite a way, I think. :x


That one was bugged for me too. He passed me his wee note then when I went to meet him he was dead.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:37 am 
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Just crushed the Stormcloaks 8-)

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:14 am 
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Harry Bizzle wrote:
^^ See above. ^^


Was just doing the Forsworn Conspiracy. First time I tried it I killed everyone in Nepos' house and then every single guard in Markath attacked me. Then when I get to the guy at the end back at the Temple he's bloody dead. :fp: Reloaded and now even if I pickpocket him the guy is still dead. Need to reload back quite a way, I think. :x


Aren't there any guards with the guy who sets you off on the mission inside the temple? The glitch isn't that he's dead.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:25 am 
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[quote="Saint of Killers"][quote="Harry Bizzle"]^^ See abo
Was just doing the Forsworn Conspiracy. First time I tried it I killed everyone in Nepos' house and then every single guard in Markath attacked me. Then when I get to the guy at the end back at the Temple he's bloody dead. :fp: Reloaded and now even if I pickpocket him the guy is still dead. Need to reload back quite a way, I think. :x[/quote]

Aren't there any guards with the guy who sets you off on the mission inside the temple? [inlinespoiler]The glitch isn't that he's dead[/inlinespoiler].[/quote]

There's two guards and this guy who tellls me to join the legion. And the quest marker hovers over where he used to be standing rather than where his body is. Guards don't say jack.

Once there were about ten in there and they attacked me on sight. :?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:26 am 
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Have you done the story quest where you go into the Thalmor embassy?


They have a dossier on Ulfric. He doesn't know it, but they consider him to be an asset. They essentially want to destabilise the Empire so they can attack.
Banning Talos worship, demanding the heads of the Blades, forcing the Empire to pull out of Hammerfell - all outrageous things the Empire did at the behest of the Thalmor to obtain peace, with no real goal other than destabilising the Empire so they could attack once it's weakened.


They are tossers and it sucks that you have to put down so many patriotic Nords, but a lot of them are racists and bigots anyway. Go to Windhelm and you'll see what they're really like.



Oh and to make you feel extra bad they're going to make life hell for the Dark Elves, if not outright exile/kill them.


Also the Jarl of Solitude says:
-The Empire did a lot for Skyrim.
-There are a lot of Nords in the Imperial Legion.
-The Empire is Talos' Empire - he was Martin Septim, after all.


I knew I was right in siding with the Empire (and wrong in choosing Stormcloaks on my first playthrough) going against the Stormcloaks when I found this place :arrow:

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Go there. Look for something that's outside the tower and compare their attitude to that of Ulfric and his Stormcloaks.
I still kill any and all Thalmor I find and my Divine buff of choice is almost always the Talos one.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:33 am 
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Harry Bizzle wrote:
There's two guards and this guy who tellls me to join the legion. And the quest marker hovers over where he used to be standing rather than where his body is. Guards don't say jack.

Once there were about ten in there and they attacked me on sight. :?


When you go in there next time don't draw your weapon or anything. One of the soldiers (he's a high rank looking soldier type, not like the ones you see on patrol) should talk to you and give you the option to surrender.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:43 am 
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I love finding Orc strongholds, but it's always disappointing when they don't give you a quest.


Orc's are racists i'm guessing, i'm an Orc and when i go to the strong holds i usually get offered quests...

and my Orc is a racist, i kill dark elves for no other reason other than they are dark elves.


Complete missions for Orcs and eventually they send out word to Orc Strongholds that you're a decent type. Maybe once that happens non-Orcs can pick up missions from Strongholds?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:14 pm 
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Saint of Killers wrote:
Harry Bizzle wrote:
There's two guards and this guy who tellls me to join the legion. And the quest marker hovers over where he used to be standing rather than where his body is. Guards don't say jack.

Once there were about ten in there and they attacked me on sight. :?


When you go in there next time don't draw your weapon or anything. One of the soldiers (he's a high rank looking soldier type, not like the ones you see on patrol) should talk to you and give you the option to surrender.


He initiates conversation with me but just tells me they're always looking for big strong lads in the Legion. :?


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In the scenario where the third guard who is supposed to talk to you about you being framed etc., it can be replaced by a Legate who only asks you if you want to join the Legion, there is a workaround (although it entails having to start at a point prior to gathering the evidence). The problem may be due to the lack of an "objective" to return to Eltrys after each piece of evidence is found for Margret, Weylin, Nepos, and Thonar. If you gather evidence for Weylin and Thonar and Nepos before reporting back to Eltrys, the Legate will be at the Shrine of Talos and you will not be able to finish the quest. However, if you return to Eltrys immediately after each piece of evidence is found, he will give you gold for the information, and more importantly, the correct dialogue will appear once you go to the Shrine of Talos for the "Return to Eltrys" objective. Keep in mind that when you start the new quest "No One Escapes Cidhna Mine" any miscellaneous quest items (like the Elder Scroll) will not be returned to you when you get your inventory back. (Confirmed on PC)


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:29 pm 
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I have a question about all this racism stuff. The issue is also in the mass effect thread, the orcs and elves (turians, asari etc) etc are different species(?) does racism stretch to interspecies relationships? If you where a nord who likes to kill redguards and imperials then maybe you are a racist, but i dont think this applies to percicuting orcs and elves etc. Or am i totally wide of the mark here?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:13 pm 
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Finally got the quest done. Sadly, the second time I went back to him the guards were there so I couldn't get evidence on Nepos or Weylin.

Still, I killed Madanach. He may have been right about being mistreated by the Nords, but to make the people of the Reach suffer for it 20 years later is madness. Then I murdered Thanor. First murder of the game but the tosser deserved it.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:39 pm 
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>Fighting Frost Dragon.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:37 pm 
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Saint of Killers wrote:
Harry Bizzle wrote:
Have you done the story quest where you go into the Thalmor embassy?


They have a dossier on Ulfric. He doesn't know it, but they consider him to be an asset. They essentially want to destabilise the Empire so they can attack.
Banning Talos worship, demanding the heads of the Blades, forcing the Empire to pull out of Hammerfell - all outrageous things the Empire did at the behest of the Thalmor to obtain peace, with no real goal other than destabilising the Empire so they could attack once it's weakened.


They are tossers and it sucks that you have to put down so many patriotic Nords, but a lot of them are racists and bigots anyway. Go to Windhelm and you'll see what they're really like.



Oh and to make you feel extra bad they're going to make life hell for the Dark Elves, if not outright exile/kill them.


Also the Jarl of Solitude says:
-The Empire did a lot for Skyrim.
-There are a lot of Nords in the Imperial Legion.
-The Empire is Talos' Empire - he was Martin Septim, after all.


I knew I was right in siding with the Empire (and wrong in choosing Stormcloaks on my first playthrough) going against the Stormcloaks when I found this place :arrow:

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Go there. Look for something that's outside the tower and compare their attitude to that of Ulfric and his Stormcloaks.
I still kill any and all Thalmor I find and my Divine buff of choice is almost always the Talos one.


I've gone back two levels to an older save before I joined a side - will check that place out now.
I felt so horrid after the attack, not like any other mission I've done where I've enjoyed it and felt good, can't believe this has ended up bothering me so much, I always want my character to be a force for good :oops:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:47 pm 
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I have someone following me from a quest who can't be killed. Even when I try to do it! :|

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:27 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:20 am 
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SoK/Harry, I went to the refuge :(

Pretty sure in time I will align myself with the legion, and just make a point of killing any Thalmor in sight and praying at every Talos shrine I see. Can't believe how much this weighed on my conscious!

Had a great time playing today though, I found the Lover stone all by myself, and some massive ruins fairly nearby :wub: enchanting is at 99, smithed myself a full set of Elven armour, and once I get the double enchanting perk I'll get that gear on to replace my enchanted leather. Gradually realising my dream of being an armoured mage :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:53 am 
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Totally pimped out my Windhelm house with suits of armour and bad-ass weaponry 8-)


Just need to steal about 100 books to fill the shelves :shifty:


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