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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:45 pm 
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Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

Operating system Windows 8 will be a "catastrophe" for PC game makers, according to Valve Software's boss.

Speaking at the Casual Connect game conference in Seattle, Gabe Newell said the next version of Windows could mean big changes to the PC market.

Many took his comment as a criticism of the changed user interface in Windows 8 as well as its built-in Windows Store.

The Windows Store could dent the success of Valve's own online market, Steam, through which players buy games.

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Mr Newell, who worked for Microsoft for 13 years on Windows, said his company had embraced the open-source software Linux as a "hedging strategy" designed to offset some of the damage Windows 8 was likely to do.

"We want to make it as easy as possible for the 2,500 games on Steam to run on Linux as well," said Mr Newell.

"Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space."

The arrival of Windows 8 would be likely to drive some PC makers and others out of the business because it put so much pressure on their sales margins, Mr Newell added.

He said the success of Valve, known for its Half Life, Left4Dead and Portal titles, had been down to the open nature of the PC.

"We've been a free rider, and we've been able to benefit from everything that went into PCs and the internet," he told the conference. "And we have to continue to figure out how there will be open platforms."

However, he added, the openness that helped Valve as well as firms such as Google and Zynga could disappear with Windows 8.

"There's a strong temptation to close the platform," he said, "because they look at what they can accomplish when they limit the competitors' access to the platform, and they say, 'That's really exciting.'"

This is a shop through which users will be able to buy apps for their Windows 8 device.

On some versions of Windows 8, it will be the only way to get downloadable software such as games.

Microsoft takes a cut, up to 30%, of every sale made through this store.

This could be a significant threat to the massively successful Steam online game store that Valve runs and which gives it a commission on every title sold through the online market.

A Windows Store closed to everyone but Microsoft might reduce the range of games available for sale through Steam.

Windows 8's links with Microsoft's Xbox Live online game service could also dent the appeal of Steam for many people.

Mr Newell said Valve was preparing for the future in other ways. In particular, he said, it was trying to make tools and services that players could use to make games and gaming more fun for everyone.

"We think the future is very different [from] successes we've had in the past," he said.

"When you are playing a game, you are trying to think about creating value for other players, so the line between content player and creator is really fuzzy."

One harbinger of this future was perhaps found, he said, in the success of one Team Fortress player in Kansas who was earning $150,000 (£97,000) a year making virtual hats.

"This isn't about video games," he said. "It's about thinking about goods and services in a digital world."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18996377

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Gabe Newell throws a tantrum and spits out his dummy over the prospect of competiton.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:52 pm 
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Newell doesn't give a gooseberry fool about competition. Steam has crushed all comers so far.

The worry is that Microsoft will take it's ball (kernel) and go home.


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I think the Windows Store is just Microsoft covering bases and offering an equivalent to the App Store where casual users can get downloads easily.

There's no way Microsoft would turn Windows into a closed platform, and Windows 8 works just as well as Windows 7 for desktop stuff (including Steam).

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NickSCFC wrote:
I think the Windows Store is just Microsoft covering bases and offering an equivalent to the App Store where casual users can get downloads easily.

There's no way Microsoft would turn Windows into a closed platform, and Windows 8 works just as well as Windows 7 for desktop stuff (including Steam).

Well, Windows RT is pretty much the closed version of Windows 8. Windows 8 itself is as open as ever though, but only for desktop apps.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:59 am 
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NickSCFC wrote:
I think the Windows Store is just Microsoft covering bases and offering an equivalent to the App Store where casual users can get downloads easily.

There's no way Microsoft would turn Windows into a closed platform, and Windows 8 works just as well as Windows 7 for desktop stuff (including Steam).

I think they effectively have with the ARM version.

That said, i'd love to see a Linux distro with Valve's weight behind it. It's not hard to imagine driver support improving overnight.


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And as we all know, Steam aren't about closed systems and enforcing software on you at all.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:19 am 
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Lagamorph wrote:
And as we all know, Steam aren't about closed systems and enforcing software on you at all.

The difference here is that nothing Valve can do to prevent you selling your games and software elsewhere. There's plenty Microsoft can do, however...

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There's plenty Microsoft can do, however...

And yet they wont. Why would they alienate a market as huge as gamers by forcing everything to be done through their own store?

All the Windows store will do is open another avenue for purchasing games with Microsoft taking a cut of the sale, just as Valve do with every purchase through Steam.
At most the only things locked to the Windows store will be games that use GFWL, which is no different from games locked to Steam.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:45 am 
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There's plenty Microsoft can do, however...

And yet they wont. Why would they alienate a market as huge as gamers by forcing everything to be done through their own store?

Have you seen the ad revenues for the 360 Dashboard?


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Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'


Tl;dr
Gabe Newell throws a tantrum and spits out his dummy over the prospect of competition.

so true...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:25 am 
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So the PC is dead now then?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:27 am 
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So the PC is dead now then?

If doom mongerers are to be believed.

I quite like the idea of them spending some time getting things going properly on Linux, it would be nice to have Linux as a viable alternative to Windows.


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If Microsoft do make the PC a closed platform for gaming. I'm out.

I've been a PC game for 17 years and by god if they ruin the openness of the computer than I'm done. I know I'm a Nintendo gamer as well and their platforms are closed, but they've never really been open, unlike the PC.

RIP my PC.

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I don't think they will be able to. There is no where else to go and they would get so much gooseberry fool from the gaming industry that they couldn't do it. Not for a few years anyway.

But I think it could go more that way over time and more will start being spent to develop Linux as a viable platform.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:44 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:27 am 
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Will someone explain to me how Windows 8 does things differently from how they are now? I'm still on XP and can't get my head around how MS are going to do this/get away with it.

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From what I've heard Windows 8 doesn't even have a start menu.

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I know it has a different default front, the panels thingy, but it also has a traditional desktop alternative, yeah? So what would stop people from going on to that, launching a browser and accessing Steam that way? Would MS still get a cut then too? Or is this all about Steam wanting to launch from their own space on the new panels thing and MS possibly wanting a cut from that? I really cannot see how the powers that be (the courts or whatever) would allow that.

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From what I've heard Windows 8 doesn't even have a start menu.


Yes it does, but it now looks like this...

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...instead of this...

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