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Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:26 am
by Cal
Skarjo wrote:And that's great, except that this first thought you should always have when listening to an unreferenced, unsourced opinion piece such as his output is 'Is that actually true?'.
Which, in this case, it isn't.
Well, that's
one opinion. 4,927 likes on Pat's video would like to differ.
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:28 am
by Banjo
Have you really stooped to using Youtube Likes as a barometer of worth? Of which in this instance they account for less than 10% of the overrall views?
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:29 am
by Skarjo
Mate, when you're quoting YouTube likes as supporting evidence...
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:33 am
by aayl1
Just...
literally.
Wow.
That's all I can say to that.
strawberry floating, wow.
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:33 am
by aayl1
Like...
What?
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:34 am
by aayl1
Goodbye forever
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:34 am
by Winckle
Cal wrote:Skarjo wrote:And that's great, except that this first thought you should always have when listening to an unreferenced, unsourced opinion piece such as his output is 'Is that actually true?'.
Which, in this case, it isn't.
Well, that's
one opinion. 4,927 likes on Pat's video would like to differ.
"You can prove anything with facts, I prefer to rely on blind prejudice"
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:35 am
by Skarjo
aayl1 wrote:Just...
literally.
Wow.
That's all I can say to that.
strawberry floating, wow.
Such opinion.
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:42 am
by Hexx
The more popular an opinion is doesn't have any bearing on it's accuracy. If it does it has very bad implications for you Cal
But thank you for so able demonstrating how the video simply acts to re-in force ignorance by convincing people their not alone.
'Ad populum' is the term I believe.
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:42 am
by Cal
Colt wrote:Have you really stooped to using Youtube Likes as a barometer of worth? Of which in this instance they account for less than 10% of the overrall views?
Fair point, but in rebuttal, I'd point out only 121 (at time of writing) actually 'disliked' - so where does that leave all the rest? Indifferent? Undecided?
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:44 am
by mcjihge2
Skarjo wrote:aayl1 wrote:Just...
literally.
Wow.
That's all I can say to that.
strawberry floating, wow.
Such opinion.
I liked it.
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:44 am
by Skarjo
Are... Are we actually discussing the merit of YouTube likes as a critique of an argument?
Is that actually what's happening now?
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:45 am
by Hexx
To be fair. It's about as good as any of his arguments
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:47 am
by Poncho
Imagine 4,926 alternate forum universes, each with their own Cal.
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:50 am
by Banjo
Cal wrote:Colt wrote:Have you really stooped to using Youtube Likes as a barometer of worth? Of which in this instance they account for less than 10% of the overrall views?
Fair point, but in rebuttal, I'd point out only 121 (at time of writing) actually 'disliked' - so where does that leave all the rest? Indifferent? Undecided?
Silent majority that watch but don't like/share/participate. Most likely answer being that they don't care and stumbled upon Condell's vid while aimlessly browsing.
Poncho wrote:Imagine 4,926 alternate forum universes, each with their own Cal.
Is this the part where he starts journeying to kill them all so he can harness their power and become The One?
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:03 pm
by Superking
Cal wrote:Superking wrote:He likes a good strawman does old Pat.
Interesting. I'd love to know why you think Pat is spinning a strawman argument, when all the facts about Islam's treatment of women clearly suggest otherwise. Can you show me why you don't think any of what Pat says is true?
Well Skarjo has pretty much covered it but I think it's pretty obvious. He's got this conceptual idea of a "Progressive Feminist" which he's just pulled out of the inner recesses of his anus and has proceeded to make his point against said concept with no actual evidence. Basically the definition of a strawman.
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:14 pm
by Mafro
Cal wrote:Skarjo wrote:And that's great, except that this first thought you should always have when listening to an unreferenced, unsourced opinion piece such as his output is 'Is that actually true?'.
Which, in this case, it isn't.
Well, that's
one opinion. 4,927 likes on Pat's video would like to differ.
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:16 pm
by The Alchemist Penguin
Skarjo wrote:Are... Are we actually discussing the merit of YouTube likes as a critique of an argument?
Is that actually what's happening now?
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:13 pm
by captain red dog
Skarjo wrote:captain red dog wrote:Generally I find his videos quite thought provoking if nothing else.
And that's great, except that this first thought you should always have when listening to an unreferenced, unsourced opinion piece such as his output is 'Is that actually true?'.
Which, in this case, it isn't.
I take each video on it's own merits, some I agree with and some I don't. This latest one is one of his worst but rarely will you ever agree with someone 100%.
Re: The Pat Condell Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:34 pm
by TheTurnipKing
Cal wrote:Colt wrote:Have you really stooped to using Youtube Likes as a barometer of worth? Of which in this instance they account for less than 10% of the overrall views?
Fair point, but in rebuttal, I'd point out only 121 (at time of writing) actually 'disliked' - so where does that leave all the rest? Indifferent? Undecided?
I'd feel guilty "disliking" his videos when I've only ever been able to sit through a whole one once.
Interestingly, Anita Sarkeesian has exactly the same effect on me. Which is probably an unfair comparison to one of the two, though I'll be strawberry floated if I could tell you which one.