The Pat Condell Thread [DISCUSSION]

NickSCFC · Last edited by NickSCFC on Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:39 pm, edited 4 times in total.

PostRe: Transcend this by **aayl1** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:00 am

Nick, I speak for everyone here, when I say, please strawberry float the strawberry float off, and don't come back.

PostRe: Transcend this by **aayl1** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:00 am

Or just correctly title your threads. Y'know, whatever.

PostRe: Transcend this by **Drumstick** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:11 am

Stop it.

PostRe: Transcend this by **Winckle** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:12 am

PostRe: Transcend this by **Fatal Exception** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:13 am

People need to stop being so bumpain.

PostRe: Transcend this by **Turboman** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:16 am

Aren't you meant to have your own thread for this gooseberry fool?

I'm sick of non-specific thread titles, then opening them and seeing that smug banana split

PostRe: Transcend this by **Victor Mildew** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:17 am

Why do you keep posting videos of him?

PostRe: Transcend this by **Turboman** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:18 am

Mockmaster wrote:A general thread you can update and promote actual discussion in is a good idea Nicholas, better than posting brand new threads every time there is a new video as doing that just grinds peoples' gears rather than creating a discussion, as you can see above. Please turn this into the main thread or I will lock it and you can create a new one from scratch, it's your call.

Three weeks ago.

PostRe: Transcend this by **Dual** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:34 am

Another great video.

PostRe: Transcend this by **Cal** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:35 am

aayl1 wrote:Nick, I speak for everyone here, when I say, please strawberry float the strawberry float off, and don't come back.

No, he doesn't, Nick. I saw this yesterday on my YT subs list. As ever, Pat makes some salient points, this time about Christianity (mainly). Always a pleasure to see a new video from Pat. You're a braver man than me for posting it here, though - seems most people here just can't handle any opinion that deviates from the norm.

PostRe: Transcend this by **Turboman** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:36 am

Cal wrote:
aayl1 wrote:Nick, I speak for everyone here, when I say, please strawberry float the strawberry float off, and don't come back.

No, he doesn't, Nick. I saw this yesterday on my YT subs list. As ever, Pat makes some salient points, this time about Christianity (mainly). Always a pleasure to see a new video from Pat. You're a braver man than me for posting it here, though - seems most people here just can't handle any opinion that deviates from the norm.

People get annoyed that it's posted in a separate thread every time, and that Nick seems to ignore this persistently

PostRe: Transcend this by **Skarjo** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:38 am

I think he's playing it a bit fast and loose with his terminology there.

He's conflating 'transcending' as religious types talk about it, in terms of God and knowledge transcending reality, and the way 'transcendentalism' and, by extension, transcendentalists, talks about consciousness being able to lifted up other 'levels' which, though frequently wrapped up in plenty of mystic nonsense, is still a scientific phenomenon which can be reliably and predictably achieved and observed in a variety of ways.

Even Sam Harris, arch-nemesis of those of faith, talks about meditation and transcendentalism as real world phenomena which don't tread on the toes of faith.

Condell needs to sort his language out because he's muddying the waters of his argument with sloppy and inaccurate language, making for an inconsistent argument predicated on false terminology.

PostRe: Transcend this by **Cal** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:44 am

Skarjo wrote:I think he's playing it a bit fast and loose with his terminology there.

He's conflating 'transcending' as religious types talk about it, in terms of God and knowledge transcending reality, and the way 'transcendentalism' and, by extension, transcendentalists, talks about consciousness being able to lifted up other 'levels' which, though frequently wrapped up in plenty of mystic nonsense, is still a scientific phenomenon which can be reliably and predictably achieved and observed in a variety of ways.

Even Sam Harris, arch-nemesis of those of faith, talks about meditation and transcendentalism as real world phenomena which don't tread on the toes of faith.

Condell needs to sort his language out because he's muddying the waters of his argument with sloppy and inaccurate language, making for an inconsistent argument predicated on false terminology.

All that's fair criticism, but I think Pat's just choosing to interpret 'transcendence' in one particular (and still, by one definition at least, accurate) way. Taken on those terms I think his message is actually coherent and does hold up to scrutiny.

PostRe: Transcend this by **Victor Mildew** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:47 am

Wait, you actually watched it?

PostRe: Transcend this by **Skarjo** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:49 am

Ad7 wrote:Wait, you actually watched it?

Life's pretty boring if you only watch and read things you know in advance you'll probably agree with.

PostRe: Transcend this by **Skarjo** » Thu May 16, 2013 10:53 am

Cal wrote:
Skarjo wrote:I think he's playing it a bit fast and loose with his terminology there.

He's conflating 'transcending' as religious types talk about it, in terms of God and knowledge transcending reality, and the way 'transcendentalism' and, by extension, transcendentalists, talks about consciousness being able to lifted up other 'levels' which, though frequently wrapped up in plenty of mystic nonsense, is still a scientific phenomenon which can be reliably and predictably achieved and observed in a variety of ways.

Even Sam Harris, arch-nemesis of those of faith, talks about meditation and transcendentalism as real world phenomena which don't tread on the toes of faith.

Condell needs to sort his language out because he's muddying the waters of his argument with sloppy and inaccurate language, making for an inconsistent argument predicated on false terminology.

All that's fair criticism, but I think Pat's just choosing to interpret 'transcendence' in one particular (and still, by one definition at least, accurate) way. Taken on those terms I think his message is actually coherent and does hold up to scrutiny.

He is, but he does himself no favours by not actually taking the time to define the way in which he's actually using the word, nor does he acknowledge that it is a very broad term that covers a huge range of beliefs and practices.

If you're not going to specifically define what you mean when you use a word, nor specifically acknowledge that there are other uses of the word that you are not referring to, then you're on extremely dangerous ground when you start saying that it's a word that 'means nothing at all, whilst sounding like it means everything'.

PostRe: Transcend this by **False** » Thu May 16, 2013 11:00 am

Skarjo wrote:
Ad7 wrote:Wait, you actually watched it?

Life's pretty boring if you only watch and read things you know in advance you'll probably agree with.

Lifes pretty gooseberry fool when you get to the end and you realised you wasted all your time watching gooseberry fool like that.

Especially when its for the sake of yet another random 'debate' with idiots on an internet forum.

PostRe: Transcend this by **1cmanny1** » Thu May 16, 2013 11:01 am

Who is this guy, and what does he talk about?

PostRe: Transcend this by **aayl1** » Thu May 16, 2013 11:01 am

I also would have accepted "Life's pretty boring in Japan".

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