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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by ITSMILNER » Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:30 am

Should have been Drew v Seth for the title on Night 1 and Cody v Roman for that title on Night 2 with The Rock as the special guest ref. Could have a spot where The Rock and Roman went at it and hit all the moments you would get in a match between (Like KK says, this will be a slow paced, stalling match)

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by Cuttooth » Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:46 am

The segment is apparently WWE's most disliked upload on YouTube.

The dumbest decision they could have done.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by KK » Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:50 am

Well it's been either the worst or 2nd worst week in the entire history of the company, why not keep that momentum going, brother!

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by ITSMILNER » Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:01 pm

I wonder what the plans would have been if CM Punk had not been injured? He would likely face Seth so what would they have done with Cody/Roman/Rock?

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by Jam-Master Jay » Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:13 pm

I can't think of two main title matches I want to see less than Reigns/Rock and Rollins/Rhodes.

At least Tiffany Stratton and Bron Breakker are on the main roster now.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:45 pm

ITSMILNER wrote:I wonder what the plans would have been if CM Punk had not been injured? He would likely face Seth so what would they have done with Cody/Roman/Rock?


Yeah that's what I would like to know as well.

What Cody hasn't said yet is that he is facing rollins. I assume he will but it did sound a bit like he's keeping his title shot for another time. Which also sounds like WWE have confused a RR win with MITB.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by Cuttooth » Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:16 pm

I don't buy that Punk getting injured would derail their plans this much. He's only been back for two months, just go back to whatever they were thinking for Rollins in October/November. Sign McIntyre to a new deal if they must, rather than completely bury the concept of the Royal Rumble.

It smacks of a total panic job by TKO/WWE.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by KK » Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:19 pm

With Punk injured, it was definitely Roman Reigns vs Cody Rhodes, and Drew McIntyre vs. Seth Rollins would have been the obvious replacement for the World Title. You could have had Gunther as a potential opponent in there also. I guess this would have been decided in the Elimination Chamber. There is now no obvious Chamber match for the men, and you can’t do the World Title in there because Seth is injured.

Sports Illustrated however said last week that Cody Rhodes was never destined to ‘finish his story’ at WrestleMania or be the genuine main event. Whether that was true, or has now coincidentally ended up being true, Cody Rhodes vs. Roman Reigns was clearly the destined match when the Royal Rumble concluded and the direction of travel ever since last year. Even if Rhodes’ win at the Rumble was an audible because of Punk’s injury (was it?) and the finish was supposed to be CM Punk (who I guess would have chosen Seth Rollins), the Chamber match would have been the roadblock (remember that PPV) to decide whatever else they were doing with Reigns…if you were going to do Rock and Reigns it would have made sense to put The Rock in that match and win that…but listening to the announcers, the foreshadowing on the night leaned Rhodes winning back-to-back Rumbles.

If you listened to Rock on one of the news networks, I think it was maybe MSNBC, it did sound like his match with Roman Reigns wasn’t going to happen at Mania.

By inserting Cody Rhodes into a situation where he could then choose between the two championships, with the obvious choice being Reigns, they've strawberry floated it. Ironically having either no winner of the Rumble, or CM Punk winning and then having to forfeit because of his injury, and therefore still ultimately resulting in no winner, would have put them in a better position than they are now.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:32 pm

KK wrote:With Punk injured, it was definitely Roman Reigns vs Cody Rhodes, and Drew McIntyre vs. Seth Rollins would have been the obvious replacement for the World Title. You could have had Gunther as a potential opponent in there also. I guess this would have been decided in the Elimination Chamber. There is now no obvious Chamber match for the men, and you can’t do the World Title in there because Seth is injured.

Sports Illustrated however said last week that Cody Rhodes was never destined to ‘finish his story’ at WrestleMania or be the genuine main event. Whether that was true, or has now coincidentally ended up being true, Cody Rhodes vs. Roman Reigns was clearly the destined match when the Royal Rumble concluded and the direction of travel ever since last year. Even if Rhodes’ win at the Rumble was an audible because of Punk’s injury (was it?) and the finish was supposed to be CM Punk (who I guess would have chosen Seth Rollins), the Chamber match would have been the roadblock (remember that PPV) to decide whatever else they were doing with Reigns…if you were going to do Rock and Reigns it would have made sense to put The Rock in that match and win that…but listening to the announcers, the foreshadowing on the night leaned Rhodes winning back-to-back Rumbles.

If you listened to Rock on one of the news networks, I think it was maybe MSNBC, it did sound like his match with Roman Reigns wasn’t going to happen at Mania.

By inserting Cody Rhodes into a situation where he could then choose between the two championships, with the obvious choice being Reigns, they've strawberry floated it. Ironically having either no winner of the Rumble, or CM Punk winning and then having to forfeit because of his injury, and therefore still ultimately resulting in no winner, would have put them in a better position than they are now.


Indeed. Awful decision making to get to this decision. I really think a huge proportion of fans will gooseberry fool on the Rock v Reigns match which is a massive shame as it's likely Rocks last match.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by CuriousOyster » Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:29 pm

What a fall off Lesnar vs Gunther, Rollins vs Punk, Cody vs Reigns.....to none of the above.

Sad and unfortunate The Rocks involvement is just to get media attention, strawberry float the fans that had bought into Codys 2 year story eh :slol:

This is Goldberg beating The Fiend levels of deafness.

Will just catch up with WM the day after, can't think if theres anything to be excited about in the current form.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by KK » Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:22 pm

I’m sure the WWE is now banking on a ton of positive media attention The Rock brings, plus the fact it’s 40 and having something properly major again to focus the casual audience on…though I can’t see that making much of a difference in mitigating the real life situation with Vince McMahon, especially if there is worse to come.

Whether the audience in arenas mirrors any of the current reaction online we’ll have to wait a see. It’s not like AEW where those in the crowd are more often ‘in the know’ (see the reaction to Jericho); with WWE it’s dependent on the market. New York, London, Chicago, Philadelphia, whether it’s a PPV or weekly television, a ‘bizarro world’ post-WrestleMania RAW…these places historically are far more vocal and likely to hijack or rebel against something they don’t like. WWE will be banking on loads of crowds like last night going forward that are just happy to see The Rock and have a good time for a couple of hours.

Also helps that the WWE brand is in that very fortunate position at the moment, and has been since the end of the Covid shutdown really, of being so strong and in-demand that they can’t do no wrong. Ticket sales, TV viewership (in America), television deals, merchandising…by any business metric they’re doing fanatically well. AEW in comparison makes booking mistakes or puts out boring shows and you end up with the situation they’re now in with a string of more than half empty buildings.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by CuriousOyster » Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:17 pm

The reactions to Rock will be massive in run up to WM.

However, they've already sold 57k tickets for each night with a number of those being Cody fans expecting to see the title change hands. Hope he gets booed to strawberry float.

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by teh bork » Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:33 pm

Meltzer and others are claiming the Rock pushed himself into the role and TKO backed him on it. Throwing out the pretty decent job they've done under HHH of long term booking and storytelling. At this point I think the Rock is making Hogan look like a team player.

I think there's a lot of pissed off fans out there. Now that the pop of the Rock coming out has worn off, there seems to be mostly a negative reaction and anger from most fans who watch regularly. It's like they didn't learn from 10 years ago when they tried to ram Batista v Orton down everyone's throats, when people wanted Daniel Bryan. Though I have my doubts about whether they do something similar to Wrestlemania 30 though...

Annoyingly it's killed my interest in Mania, can anyone say they're looking forward to watching the Rock breathing out of his arse from the second minute of a slow plodding and interference filled match. I wonder if the crowd could turn on it like they did the main events of Mania 32 and 34.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:11 pm

I'm not buying that. I think they are just making up gooseberry fool again.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by KK » Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:38 pm

Here’s what PWinsider are saying on it:

As you saw with the finish of last night’s WWE Friday Night Smackdown, unless there is yet another major change in plans, Cody Rhodes will not be “finishing the story” at Wrestlemania 40 in Philadelphia, PA.

Numerous WWE sources have concurred that the decision to go with The Rock vs. Roman Reigns Mania weekend, expected to be officially announced this Thursday in Las Vegas for the Philly event, was a push by The Rock to move into the Mania main event, backed by top TKO Group Holding execs.

While WWE had been expertly building to a Cody Rhodes vs. Roman Reigns rematch, some sources believe it was done by Johnson to, as one source stated, “save Wrestlemania” after CM Punk and Brock Lesnar, for very different reasons, were taken off the board from the biggest weekend of the year.

Others believe that Rock pushed for the move and likely would have no matter what, given his massive $30 million stock payday is, in part, contingent on him hitting certain milestones. Sources familiar with the situation believe one of those milestones was Johnson returning to the ring this year and that Johnson pushed for the match to happen sooner than later with the idea he felt Reigns vs. The Rock was the far bigger attraction for the company,

So, it’s very possible that no matter who was injured or not, Cody vs. Reigns would not have taken place because The Rock was back in the game and the most important members of company management were going to acquiesce to Dwayne Johnson’s ideas.

With Johnson’s power as a member of the TKO Board of Directors, his Hollywood standing and the backing of Ari Emanuel, Nick Khan and others, the decision was made to go with Rock vs. Reigns as the headline bout, believing it would be a greater attraction for the mainstream and also help push some positive momentum for the company.

One source compared it to Johnson’s attempts to take over the overall creative for the DC film franchise, noting that he came in originally as an actor to portray Black Adam, but by the time that process was done, had changed the original trajectory for the plans from playing the opposition for Shazam!, instead pushing that Adam should have his own film so he could eventually be set up to face Superman instead and even went over the heads of executives to their superiors to get ideas approved. Johnson’s long-game was to gain control of the entire DC film franchise, only to lose that attempt when Warner Bros. Discovery gave that power instead to James Gunn and Peter Saffron.

But, in WWE, there isn’t going to be anyone that’s not going to at least consider Dwayne Johnson’s ideas. He's The Rock and has a big history of selling tickets and merchandise and movies and at the end of the day, Wrestlemania is about spectacle and The Rock equals spectacle.

PWInsider.com is told this wasn’t done to target and politic Cody out of his main event out of malice, but out of the belief that Johnson was the best idea to make money now and respect his new position with the company’s parent company. This was a strategic move to give Johnson more political power overall and to show Endeavor’s faith in his involvement and that even Paul Levesque, who has done an admirable job as the Chief Creative Officer, would "lose that power struggle with Johnson at this point", as one source surmised.

One source confirmed to PWInsider.com that former Senior Vice President of Development at Johnson’s Seven Bucks Productions, Brian Gewirtz will be in the mix as the voice representing Johnson in the WWE Creative process going forward. There are some who believe Gewirtz, who at one point was one of the longest tenured WWE Head Writers, will be around physically at least for major shows going forward, could even be there as a “Plan B” if Endeavor ever needs to pivot WWE's direction and go with a Johnson-backed creative team down the line.

Fightful meanwhile are saying that The Rock had not only pushed to face Roman Reigns at Mania, but some thought he was even pushing to win the match.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by Cuttooth » Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:19 pm

The ego on Dwayne Johnson is something else. I can't see the fans who go to the various shows really turning on this like they ought to though. Need to get that old WCW crowd back who would constantly throw gooseberry fool into the ring.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by Ploiper » Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:31 am

apparently at a live show yesterday a video package for the rock got shown, the crowed booed.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by KK » Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:17 pm

twitter.com/loganpaul/status/1753978337817420271


If the company does change course again, they’ve basically got between RAW and their Mania press conference on Thursday to figure something out…you would think.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by ITSMILNER » Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:29 pm

This reminds me of the Daniel Bryan situation a few years back, I hope Rock’s ego isn’t so big he ruins the original plans for Wrestlemania.

Let Cody v Reigns headline night one for the title, night two can be Rock v Reigns for Tribal Chief status or something.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread: Vince McMahon quits WWE in wake of sex trafficking allegations
by KK » Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:39 pm

X’ed out this morning:

twitter.com/therock/status/1754026101251428760



There’s a word for this explosive, insane reaction - undeniable.
No matter the era, the decade, or the city, the energy and connection between the People’s Champ and the People can never be broken and is truly an electrifying experience that creates chills every single time.
Thank you Birmingham, Alabama, we made magical history in the “magic city”. Thank you WWE and thank you Cody for the love and the house (dream & soulman).
Roman, there’s only one head of the table. I’ll see you in Vegas…Uso.

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