The Work Thread 2 - Get back to work!

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by JChalmers » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:46 pm

Cheers guys, will see what happens in the New Year and then might be an option. With getting a divorce and moving house in the new year too don't want too many things all at once, but hopefully can get something sorted over next year.

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by aayl1 » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:02 pm

I'm hearing you've been at the company for 11 years and still earning 34k. For this type of work you're being underpaid.

You've tripled the business revenue and have over a decade of system knowledge! You are invaluable to them and should be asking for £70k.

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by aayl1 » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:09 pm

Maybe I'm lucky with the companies I've worked for, and maybe it's the London bounce but my wage history is basically:

Job 1: Minimum wage -> £30k in 2.5 years.

Job 2 : £36k (burned out of this one after 9 months)

Job 3: (Public sector with a paycut as I wanted something easy to begin with) - £28k -> £40k in 2 years.

Not gloating or anything, just figure it's helpful to see some data elsewhere!

For reference I'm a project manager (with no qualifications) which basically means I do anything, and this was London.

Edit: also some of these bounces are for me moving into literal different jobs which open up, which is also luck of the draw I guess.

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by Qikz » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:13 pm

aayule1 wrote:I'm hearing you've been at the company for 11 years and still earning 34k. For this type of work you're being underpaid.

You've tripled the business revenue and have over a decade of system knowledge! You are invaluable to them and should be asking for £70k.


Exactly. 50k is underselling yourself with how much money you've made them. The fact they're only paying you 34k is a strawberry floating travesty. I'm on 33k and I'm in second line IT support and even I feel underpaid and I haven't made anywhere nearly as big of an impact as you.

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by Dual » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:14 pm

JChalmers wrote:Cheers guys, will see what happens in the New Year and then might be an option. With getting a divorce and moving house in the new year too don't want too many things all at once, but hopefully can get something sorted over next year.


What better way to spite your ex wife than a sweet pay rise.

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by poshrule_uk » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:32 pm

My work have just sent me an email asking me to sign a document confirming I agree to a change of my notice period from 1 month to 3 months from January 1st.

The letter refers to conversations and that I agreed to this. That is the first I have heard of this!!!

I have sent an email to HR telling them there letter contains wrong information and if they have followed employment law.

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by Dual » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:40 pm

Scrooge Rules wrote:My work have just sent me an email asking me to sign a document confirming I agree to a change of my notice period from 1 month to 3 months from January 1st.

The letter refers to conversations and that I agreed to this. That is the first I have heard of this!!!

I have sent an email to HR telling them there letter contains wrong information and if they have followed employment law.


Sounds like a good time to renegotiate your benefits package.

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by poshrule_uk » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:54 pm

Dual wrote:
Scrooge Rules wrote:My work have just sent me an email asking me to sign a document confirming I agree to a change of my notice period from 1 month to 3 months from January 1st.

The letter refers to conversations and that I agreed to this. That is the first I have heard of this!!!

I have sent an email to HR telling them there letter contains wrong information and if they have followed employment law.


Sounds like a good time to renegotiate your benefits package.


Unfortunately I'm one of many, I don't have that much bargaining power.

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by Tomous » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:55 pm

Just don't sign it?

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by Lagamorph » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:22 pm

Scrooge Rules wrote:
Dual wrote:
Scrooge Rules wrote:My work have just sent me an email asking me to sign a document confirming I agree to a change of my notice period from 1 month to 3 months from January 1st.

The letter refers to conversations and that I agreed to this. That is the first I have heard of this!!!

I have sent an email to HR telling them there letter contains wrong information and if they have followed employment law.


Sounds like a good time to renegotiate your benefits package.


Unfortunately I'm one of many, I don't have that much bargaining power.

Sounds like ideal conditions for a union.

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by RetroCora » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:32 am

A final slap in the face after what has been a really, existentially awful year. Received an email at work today sincerely thanking me for my hard work and dedication to the department in the year I’ve been working there, explaining that I simply don’t have enough in the way of research output to be considered for the permanent role I applied for earlier this year and telling me that as it stands, I’ll be out of work at the end of July because there’s no funding to keep me despite great reviews and feedback from staff and students.

Now, I absolutely don’t blame my line manager for this because funding for continued work in my subject area is shaky at best and I’d never take it personally if it wasn’t available, but sending an email like that two days before Christmas…strawberry float. Going from married with a stable job at the start of 2022 to divorcing(and having my character repeatedly and publicly assassinated) and potentially jobless in 2023 is wild. I don’t know how I’m going to rebuild from here.

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by <]:^D » Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:35 am

you are a smart guy, and youre lovely - without wishing to downplay your situation (its strawberry floated!) i have confidence youll be able to rebuild and then some :wub:

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by Moggy » Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:48 am

RetroCora wrote:A final slap in the face after what has been a really, existentially awful year. Received an email at work today sincerely thanking me for my hard work and dedication to the department in the year I’ve been working there, explaining that I simply don’t have enough in the way of research output to be considered for the permanent role I applied for earlier this year and telling me that as it stands, I’ll be out of work at the end of July because there’s no funding to keep me despite great reviews and feedback from staff and students.

Now, I absolutely don’t blame my line manager for this because funding for continued work in my subject area is shaky at best and I’d never take it personally if it wasn’t available, but sending an email like that two days before Christmas…strawberry float. Going from married with a stable job at the start of 2022 to divorcing(and having my character repeatedly and publicly assassinated) and potentially jobless in 2023 is wild. I don’t know how I’m going to rebuild from here.


You'll rebuild because you're an awesome bloke. It's shitty what's happening to you, but you'll turn the shittiness around.

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by DarkRula » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:39 pm

Definitely not what you want to read this close to Christmas. Hope you find something or someone to take you on soon. I'm sure you'll be able to rebuild what you've lost.

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by Green Gecko » Sun Dec 25, 2022 11:46 pm

rinks wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:Half the time I do it to find alternative copies of corporate images that they themselves can't tell are terrible compressed versions and I have to find it on the Internet instead, which is hilarious. It's literally faster to do that then to ask for a vector graphic, explain what that is, wait weeks and then get the same file resized to 100x or saved as strawberry floating word document or something.

Ha, I've had similar experiences. Asked a company for versions of their photos that don't have their logo plastered over them (flattened image, naturally). They come back and say they don't have them. I check their website and find exactly what I had asked for. I assume they think I'll just use the logo version, but that's not happening.

Yes, you get it. It's become a routine thing.

I go to their website, oh look some embedded SVG code, I copy and paste the code into a text document, save it with an SVG extension, add it to my platform and send out layouts with their logo neatly and clearly positioned on whatever gooseberry fool they want. Crystal clear actionable visual. It's a simple yes/no/why. Of course they can do this themselves very easily but nobody at any companies seems to know what the strawberry float a corporate graphic design asset even looks like on a computer. They just refer to "the logo" or "the attached" without ever properly understanding what the strawberry float that is.

I'm charging at least £50 for file preparation in 2023, I'm fed up for fixing people's gooseberry fool and asking multiple times over the course of weeks for something resembling the thing they themselves asked for printed on a thing. strawberry floating hell. And of course weeks into this complex and multi-step process to send me the goddamn logo files, send all of them, send the biggest one, I don't care just don't send me a 50 pixel jpg with a white background, then oh we need it tomorrow. Of course.

Then there's the ones where the logo is superimposed in MS Paint on a low res jpg of a t shirt that doesn't even remotely resemble the actual proportions of a real t shirt (but it must look exactly like that despite that shirt NOT BEING REAL). I know what a t shirt looks like. I'm a professional apparel decorator. I need just the logo, on its own, I will do all of that gooseberry fool using actual 40MB layered PSDs from the manufacturer.

Ah just cut the logo out from the t shirt then. But that will look gooseberry fool! It's 100 strawberry floating pixels wide! That's BARELY A strawberry floating INCH.

Oh I see sorry I asked our guy, here's a Dropbox link to a gif, it's a transparent background, hope this works for you. Open the file and it's an old version of the logo from 10 years ago or whatever and is obviously wrong if someone actually opened the goddamn file rather than just reading the file name.

OK so I made some of this stuff up but it happens regularly in any design field working with clients. The worst part is it's some other "designer"'s fault having bad practices and handing over shitty files to gatekeep proper master files like Adobe pdf or eps or corel or illustrator or whatever.

Case in point I have an elegant system on which client can upload their graphics, whatever the strawberry float it is and position it themselves, taking out loads of unnecessary intermediate file creation and sending and checking it's sent and received and approval and blah blah. The system generates all of the paperwork and everything is accessible via simple links.

But no some guy has to ring my doorbell instead and hand over the files on a USB stick that corrupts and dies because they don't do computers.

Or I'll check with the band and get back to you in 30 minutes. 7 hours later yes we can confirm we want the thing we already confirmed we wanted last week but had to confirm it again for no strawberry floating reason, so now I can put the necessary supply orders in and pay for expedited shipping to meet your insane deadline that you sabotaged wasting months doing nothing.

No matter what kind of approach you have or standards or chaperoning or whatever, whether it be via a website or a strawberry floating telegram, you need a full time set of people to engage the reciprocal part of some people's minds, or get them to actually read 50 to 100 words in an email outlined as bullet points.

I'm pivoting to 80% retail on finished items next year with custom stuff for guaranteed non idiots only, not only for the health of the business but for my own strawberry floating sanity. I miss just shipping gooseberry fool and, oh it's done. There's literally nothing else to be done. Wow. Not 10 hours on just email per customer out of 50 customers trying to get someone to make a decision.

I am literally hiring someone to do things like this

Hello did you receive the previous email

Please send the file in this format

OK thank you but could you please send in the specified format

OK thank you for letting us know, if you could confirm by x time please

Unfortunately as we did not receive x thing in y time to fulfil your requested time line we will need to delay. Please send the thing thanks

Hey do you want the thing you asked about recently

Hello this thing you decided to come back to at a future time, it is the future time now, please update

Over and over again forever. If I could do it myself I would but I can't. It's immensely draining.

And yes I have a strawberry floating app/website, everyone emails me anyway because they don't want to do any work and won't pay for it to be done for them.

Enough.

And no I'm not meeting you for coffee to discuss the possibility of possibly maybe doing something and then return to step 1, get stuck there for aeons and then ghost me.

So for all you salaried guys. Yes. This is what work is like and people are hopeless. But you get paid.

I get paid strawberry float all, in fact I SPEND money. You just have to learn how to weed helpless customers out so they don't tank your business and bleed all the good clients dry with half a brain / not sitting in offices not doing their job but who cares we're getting paid lol.

My anxiety gets so bad just looking at emails these days, the pit of temporal productivity doom, where everybody seemingly goes to achieve strawberry float all while pretending they are doing useful and important work. C'mon admit it, it's 90% bullshit.

strawberry float emails man

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by Victor Mildew » Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:08 am

^ when I was self employed for a year. strawberry float that gooseberry fool.

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by JChalmers » Tue Jan 03, 2023 1:29 pm

Got to admit after 10 Days off, that 7.30am alarm did not go down well this morning with me :lol:

At least the rest of the week I'm working from home so I can sleep until 8.30.

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by Memento Mori » Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:48 am

Another of my colleagues has left so I'm now doing his job as well as several other people's and part of this is to generate the invoices for my customers. I seem to have been given access to every finance system apart from the one I actually need to use.

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by Memento Mori » Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:51 am

Also from a redundancy and compliance perspective- the fact I now sell the product, do the legal negotiation for the customer contract, onboard the customers to the product, pre-approve the billing data for invoice creation and generate the invoices is functionally insane. Add to this- another colleague is leaving in Feb so I'm going to be doing their job too which involves all the above for a product I've not worked on.

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by Green Gecko » Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:17 pm

At this stage you may as well be self employed.

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