The Work Thread 2 - Get back to work!

[Kezzer]

My girlfriend has been "let go" not fired, not made redundant - just told to sign a settlement agreement within 10 days for PILON and not to come back into the office until told. In her contract it says that they can terminate your employment and provide PILON - What I am concerned with is how/why?

According to ACAS if she has been dismissed / employment terminated it has to be for:

Conduct
Capability
Redundancy
Legal reason
'some other substantial reason'

she hasn't been informed which it is, other than "your position is no longer needed" which smacks of redundancy

However, if it is redundancy then they have followed zero procedure.

Have a call scheduled with a lawyer today, but strawberry float me is it rough. Very emotional in the household today.... not sure how I can keep things together atm.

[rinks]

"Your position is no longer needed" is pretty much the definition of redundancy! Sorry I can't offer any advice, but good luck.

[Squinty]

They trying to worm out of redundancy pay?

[Moggy]

How long has she worked there?

[Kezzer]

"Your position is no longer needed" is pretty much the definition of redundancy! Sorry I can't offer any advice, but good luck.

Sure but if she is being dismissed for redundancy then she has legal protection and there has to be a process that the company follows.

They trying to worm out of redundancy pay?

So yeah it seems like they have strawberry floated up and hoped that she would sign the settlement agreement and be gone.

How long has she worked there?

Over two years

[rinks]

"Your position is no longer needed" is pretty much the definition of redundancy! Sorry I can't offer any advice, but good luck.

Sure but if she is being dismissed for redundancy then she has legal protection and there has to be a process that the company follows.

Yes, absolutely, I was agreeing with you!

[Green Gecko]

I effectively paid "pay in lieu of notice" when I fired someone for gross misconduct (in which case they don't have to be paid notice at all, they can just be told to leave) on top of just being gooseberry fool at their job. Except before that I made it very clear what my grievances were and the employee made it clear they weren't interested in doing anything about it, nor thought they had done anything wrong (in this particular set of circumstances it was pretty obvious).

It does sound like they "suddenly realised" they couldn't afford the salary any more or wanted to direct the funds somewhere else, and disappeared her. They didn't anticipate or bother with any due process before it was too late to keep the payroll going, or had to satisfy some other kind of demand, like a top-down executive order.

Any form of doing that, that isn't demonstrably the employees fault (and even in some cases where it is) is gooseberry fool. My mum got screwed out of redundancy after 16 years or so, and I've been disappeared twice before illegally. It's bollocks.

[poshrule_uk]

Looks like my pay rise is 3.5% which I know is currently more than inflation which I think was 3.4% last month but am I right in thinking that due to inflation being higher than this for most of the last year that I'm still losing out?

[Tomous]

Looks like my pay rise is 3.5% which I know is currently more than inflation which I think was 3.4% last month but am I right in thinking that due to inflation being higher than this for most of the last year that I'm still losing out?

No, in theory inflation is a measure of price changes from 12 months ago so you should be aligned.

Of course, inflation is a subjective measure anyway depending on what you include in the calculation.

[Squinty]

Has anyone ever dealt with a coworker who is, to put it lightly, a bit of a banana split?

I spoke to my boss already but it was basically a case of 'we know he's a banana split, other people have complained, put up with it'.

It's worth saying that this guy is in charge of my training, while he is very good at his standard job, he's been shite at the actual training part, frankly. I raised this when I complained also.

It is getting to the point where it is impacting my mental health. The only solution I can see is trying to get another job. Never had to deal with this in any workplace and I'm not sure how to navigate it honestly!

[Squinty]

Has anyone ever dealt with a coworker who is, to put it lightly, a bit of a banana split?

I spoke to my boss already but it was basically a case of 'we know he's a banana split, other people have complained, put up with it'.

It's worth saying that this guy is in charge of my training, while he is very good at his standard job, he's been shite at the actual training part, frankly. I raised this when I complained also.

It is getting to the point where it is impacting my mental health. The only solution I can see is trying to get another job. Never had to deal with this in any workplace and I'm not sure how to navigate it honestly!

[Holpil]

I've worked with loads of banana splits. Usually if they are banana splits, and others recognise this, then it doesn't take too long for their work situation to change - they'll get moved onto something else, sacked etc.

Sometimes I would find people to be banana splits but other people didn't recognise them as such, and in those scenarios after a period of time I'd usually realise it was just me that found them to be banana splits and my rage would subside.

Nowadays I'm self-employed with my wife and baby child at home, so if I found them to be banana splits I would be in trouble.

What kind of banana splitish thing does this guy do? Has he been there longer than you?

[Squinty]

Far longer than me, I've only been there about 6 months.

He's severely lacking in patience, to the point of anger. Argumentative (I had an argument with him a moment ago).

There are things he either forgets to communicate to me or simply doesn't bother. Then I get given gooseberry fool for doing things wrong, when I pretty much know no better. A part of me is starting to believe this is intentional so that these situations can be engineered, but I really don't want to believe that.

The boss told me two other people who find him 'sharp', which I feel is being generous.

[Trelliz]

Far longer than me, I've only been there about 6 months.

He's severely lacking in patience, to the point of anger. Argumentative (I had an argument with him a moment ago).

There are things he either forgets to communicate to me or simply doesn't bother. Then I get given gooseberry fool for doing things wrong, when I pretty much know no better. A part of me is starting to believe this is intentional so that these situations can be engineered, but I really don't want to believe that.

The boss told me two other people who find him 'sharp', which I feel is being generous.

Cover your own ass. Write down every example of this, the impact it had on you and what you were supposed to do and the wider organisation. Maybe some of the more spicy/abusive quotes and roughly when they occurred.