The Star Wars Thread v2 - *NO SPOILERS*

[Robbo-92]

Amazing finale, think this is up there with Andor the strongest series they’ve done, still think Kenobi had its very good high points but the others have been far more consistent.

[Cheeky Devlin]

Great episode, even if it seems like Lightsabers are about as effective as a big stick these days.

It completely drew me out of those re-animated trooper sequences. Scary zombies!
But all I was thinking was, why aren't you chopping their limbs off?
Oh that's right, Lightsabers have been so nerfed that they are effectively pointless by now.

I get that Disney don't want a load of dismemberment all over their nice family mega-franchise, but it's utterly ridiculous that a weapon that can cut through heavy starship blastdoors is easily stopped by (damaged) Stormtrooper armour.

Apart from that I really enjoyed both the episode and the show. More please.

[gaminglegend]

I enjoyed the series haven’t seen any of the animations so all new to me.

Wasn’t a huge fan of the finale, a lot of CGI (the storm trooper battle, scene on top of the ship) was noticeable and I just never felt threatened for the main characters at all. At this point Storm troopers are just a waste of time in any SW show. (I know that’s sort of the point)

Really like Thrawn and glad he didn’t get defeated. The zombie storm troopers took me a bit out of it (magic doesn’t seem to fit right for me in the universe) but aware we have ‘the force’ and such.. it felt overall as a series a bit certainly but that’s probably on purpose given it’s beginnings.

But enjoyable overall.

I really would like one day to get a 15 rated/more adult series in the Universe though, the stories told could be very different and the set pieces.

[Cheeky Devlin]

Sabine unlocking her power in the Force. What a moment! Her arc is a great story of "anyone can use the Force, you don't need a special lineage", very complimentary to the Last Jedi.

Ah yes the Star Wars equivalent of "If everyone is special, then no-one is".

That was a plot point I hated. Or rather I hated the interpretation of it as "Anyone can be a Jedi/Sith/Whatever".

No, not everyone can. Everyone might have a "Connection" but that doesn't mean everyone should be able to mind trick, force pull etc
For 99.999999999999999999999% of beings in the Star Wars Universe, their connection to the force should be so subtle as to be practically un-noticeable. Like deja vu, or being able to tell when someone is standing behind you.
Force users are supposed to be so rare most people will never even see one. Or even know anyone who has. They should be legends, especially the further away from the core systems they go.

As for having to have a special lineage or come from a family of force users that has never been the case. It's a Midichlorian lottery.
You need to have a special lineage if you want to be "The chosen one".
Is the Skywalker-line special? Yes. But being spontaneously conceived by the universe will do that. Plus the first six movies were explicitly about this family so I can understand it focussing on them.
I think they got it wrong by making Rey ole Palps Grand Daughter though. I swear they should have just been upfront with who Rey was at the start and made her Han and Leia's daughter or something. Brother V Sister would have been a much better dynamic than the weird relationship they had and it would have fit with the movies being about the Skywalker family.
But outside of the movies, there's never been any indication that only certain families are strong. The books, games, comics and other shows are full of characters that can use the Force that aren't from any well known families.

The second the force becomes something potentially EVERY character can fully access it stops being special.

Spoilers for Ahsoka... kinda

Which makes Sabine a tricky one. By all means give her some trauma or something that has suppressed her abilities and Ahsoka can sense it and has to help her unlock that. I can get behind that. But this idea that all you need to do is practice hard enough and really want it just seems bollocks to me.

Or they could have done something really interesting and adapted one of the plotlines from the Legends timeline, where Callista (Luke's girlfriend at the time), who was a fully trained Jedi gets cut off from the force. Eventually she finds out that she can get her power back, but only by drawing on the dark side. Give that story to Sabine and it would have been strawberry floating great. She finds out that she can stop Thrawn but she would have to call on all her anger and hate to do it.

Right now I'm willing to look the other way about it all and just assume that she must have had some repressed latent Force ability that she wasn't aware of and couldn't tap into. That's the only way it works for me.

But then I really dislike Last Jedi and most of what it did, so it's not surprising I'm not a fan of this interpretation of it.

[DarkRula]

To be fair, if the Force is in everyone, then they should be able to use it. But like any skill, it takes training and dedication. As you say, most won't even realise they have it in them. A slight foresight or being 'lucky'. Like Nova Stilh in the Death Star novel, recognising he has such foresight and learning to utilise it at any time. But even after he learns he has a high midichlorian count, he can't immediately use other aspects of the Force. Sabine has been around Jedi for many years, and is being trained by one. She has the knowledge that barely anyone else has access to, allowing her to study and practise a lot more about the Force than others. It'd be harder for someone to self-teach themselves that stuff. In fact, I'm pretty sure one of the first novels released under Disney focused on just that with Luke.

But, I also admit with you that opening the Force up to everyone does devalue it. It all depends on how that gets handled in the future. I don't want to see some random civilian using the Force in a magic act to impress an audience and later on becoming involved in a great battle where they become the hero of it.

[Cheeky Devlin]

To be fair, if the Force is in everyone, then they should be able to use it. But like any skill, it takes training and dedication. As you say, most won't even realise they have it in them. A slight foresight or being 'lucky'. Like Nova Stilh in the Death Star novel, recognising he has such foresight and learning to utilise it at any time. But even after he learns he has a high midichlorian count, he can't immediately use other aspects of the Force. Sabine has been around Jedi for many years, and is being trained by one. She has the knowledge that barely anyone else has access to, allowing her to study and practise a lot more about the Force than others. It'd be harder for someone to self-teach themselves that stuff. In fact, I'm pretty sure one of the first novels released under Disney focused on just that with Luke.

But, I also admit with you that opening the Force up to everyone does devalue it. It all depends on how that gets handled in the future. I don't want to see some random civilian using the Force in a magic act to impress an audience and later on becoming involved in a great battle where they become the hero of it.

My point is the polar opposite of that.

Everyone has it but only that tiniest fraction of beings has strong enough of a connection to be able to do something with it. No-one outside that group should be able to do anything with the force, no matter how hard they train, or what resources they have access to. They lack the ability and strength of connection to the force.

If you make force abilities something anyone can have just by training really hard, why isn't everyone constantly training? The galaxy would be overflowing with them!

[Moggy]

I'm fine with anybody being able to use the Force.

But not with adults suddenly being able to use it to lift people across great distances.

[DarkRula]

To be fair, if the Force is in everyone, then they should be able to use it. But like any skill, it takes training and dedication. As you say, most won't even realise they have it in them. A slight foresight or being 'lucky'. Like Nova Stilh in the Death Star novel, recognising he has such foresight and learning to utilise it at any time. But even after he learns he has a high midichlorian count, he can't immediately use other aspects of the Force. Sabine has been around Jedi for many years, and is being trained by one. She has the knowledge that barely anyone else has access to, allowing her to study and practise a lot more about the Force than others. It'd be harder for someone to self-teach themselves that stuff. In fact, I'm pretty sure one of the first novels released under Disney focused on just that with Luke.

But, I also admit with you that opening the Force up to everyone does devalue it. It all depends on how that gets handled in the future. I don't want to see some random civilian using the Force in a magic act to impress an audience and later on becoming involved in a great battle where they become the hero of it.

If you make force abilities something anyone can have just by training really hard, why isn't everyone constantly training? The galaxy would be overflowing with them!

That's what I was saying. The Jedi are revered, even hero-worshipped by some, but if you asked what the Force was to someone in that galaxy, chances are they don't know what it is. They can have great foresight, can have better luck, and might come to the realisation they can improve those things by using them, but they will never have the ability to go beyond that, simply because they don't have the deeper understanding to do so. The Jedi aren't just selling training videos on the Holonet for anyone to view! They'd make a killing in terms of profits, sure. But then they'd also have a lot of killing to do as everyone starts using those powers for their own ends of greater power.

But not with adults suddenly being able to use it to lift people across great distances.

I will admit this seemed too much like a video game ability unlock, however.

[Zilnad]

After that finale, my prediction for the future is that:

Zilnad is going to be so disappointed when he looks at this.

Finally watched the finale and loved every minute. When are we getting season 2?!

[Moggy]

After that finale, my prediction for the future is that:

Zilnad is going to be so disappointed when he looks at this.

Finally watched the finale and loved every minute. When are we getting season 2?!

I don't think they've even confirmed it's happening, so I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

[Alvin Flummux]

If you make force abilities something anyone can have just by training really hard, why isn't everyone constantly training? The galaxy would be overflowing with them!

Same reason not everyone is training really hard to become a deadly martial arts master - it's really hard work, and most people do not know, believe or care enough about phenomenal cosmic power to even try. They're just out there living their lives, with many more pressing concerns.

Practically every single description of the Force from ANH onward says that everyone has it, that it is in and part of everybody. And, whether or not they know it, it's manifesting in their daily lives, in small ways that go unnoticed - intuition and gut instinct, a lucky dodge, an aptitude for a particular skill, etc.

But like other skills, some people just have a natural talent for abilities people recognize as being "of the Force", and that's where you get kids levitating things into the air, etc.

Sabine has been especially well placed to be trained in the Force not because of who she's related to, but because she's been interacting with Jedi since she was a teenager. She's had the exceedingly rare opportunity to work on developing her skills with people who've already mastered them. But she's been all blocked up in the Force that whole time, unable to break through her self doubt, guilt, traumas, and grief.

I don't see the problem with the Force push, either. The stubborn drive to make good on her promise to get Ezra home gave her the extra boost she needed to propel him into the ship, at the end of his Force jump.

[Rex Kramer]

Well I'm glad you all enjoyed the finale, I thought it was toss. Not complete toss but toss none the less. There was way too.much gooseberry fool just happening because the story needed it to as opposed to being built up in previous episodes. The cherry on the top of this particular pile was Ezra seemingly stealing a shuttle with nobody noticing and with no explanation at all. That was just poor writing.

[GrinWithoutaKat]

For the most part, I really enjoyed the whole series (although I did enjoy Kenobi and Mando season 3 too, and I know most people don't). I think my only real criticism is that it didn't really have an ending at all. It's certainly the least clear cut ending to any of the live action shows so far.

And I was a bit puzzled by Ahsoka's attitude to how it all played out. Maybe she's just entirely confident that she and Sabine will be able to get home, but instead it seemed to me, with her chat to Sabine about moving on, like she was cool with the idea that her side back home had just lost one of it's stronger fighters (herself), while the enemy had just gained the best strategist ever to unite some dangerous but disorganised imperial warlords, along with 3 witches and an army of un-killable troopers. Also, not really a fan of zombie Storm Troopers but that's just personal preference.

Baylon clearly had a goal in mind and wanted to be left behind, but I'm not sure Shin staying made sense either. For the last few episodes it seemed she was weighing up her loyalty to her master against her ambition to be part of a new Empire alongside Thrawn, but in the end, she chooses neither.

[Alvin Flummux]

Look at those adorable little BD Chonks.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

Look at those adorable little BD Chonks.

Amazing. I wish they were there when I went.

[GrinWithoutaKat]

I really hope to get to visit Galaxy's Edge sometime in the next few years. Last went to Florida in 2017 when it was all being built. I do worry about the amount I'd spend on merchandise though.

Been reading the Doctor Aphra comic (the original run), and it seems to me like a Doctor Aphra Disney+ show would really fill that void that was left by The Mandalorian becoming very much tied in with bigger plot lines such as the uniting of the Mandalorians and the seeds of the First Order forming from the remnants of the Empire. An Aphra show could go back to a different mission with a new location each week, without getting involved in anything bigger. They could still have established characters appear in it, but setting it in the same period the comic is might help them avoid the temptation to tie it in with the Mando/Ahsoka shows. Heck, that bit at the start of Ahsoka where she's finding the Purgil map, that could have introduced Aphra as the one to find it, and then Sabine comes across her trying to sell it.

She seems a fairly popular character from someone that's only appeared in comics so far. Hasbro did their 2nd action figure of her earlier this year, and the old release of 0-0-0 and BT-1 are among the most expensive older releases.

[Victor Mildew]

Finished Asohka yesterday. Didn't enjoy it at all tbh, I found the whole thing to be plodding and dull. I'm guessing if you've watched the cartoon then it must be amazing seeing all the characters come to life, but they were completely one dimensional from (a certain point of view) my side not knowing any back story, and all you get is things like "you've really missed this character haven't you!" "Yes I really have, we missed each other!".

Lightsabers have now become posh torches too, and why do they now not deflect blaster bolts back at people?

I'd rank it at the same level as obi wan.

[Victor Mildew]

Look at those adorable little BD Chonks.

Now I want a BD-1 version

[Memento Mori]

Finished Asohka yesterday. Didn't enjoy it at all tbh, I found the whole thing to be plodding and dull. I'm guessing if you've watched the cartoon then it must be amazing seeing all the characters come to life, but they were completely one dimensional from (a certain point of view) my side not knowing any back story, and all you get is things like "you've really missed this character haven't you!" "Yes I really have, we missed each other!".

Lightsabers have now become posh torches too, and why do they now not deflect blaster bolts back at people?

I'd rank it at the same level as obi wan.

I think Obi Wan was better because it didn't require you to watch five seasons of a cartoon. Knowing who Obi Wan, Vader and Leia are is a reasonable expectation on behalf of the program makers.

[Moggy]

The complaints about having to watch cartoons are pretty funny as Clone Wars/Rebels are both better than all but 3 of the Star Wars movies.