The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - The End (page 137)

DarkRula wrote:One thing I'd like to point out, from the dead thread:

Herdanos wrote:One thing I've realised is that Ob Bob could be fibbing about his role as the trusted circle might be lying about who has which role, but not about the roles contained within the circle. So someone else in the circle is the Seer but Ob Bob has publicly claimed the role (knowing the real Seer won't correct him, as they're working together!) with the intention that they can somehow bait the Conformists into targeting the "wrong" person tonight.

We were planning something along those lines. But we kept second guessing (or at least I was) what the result would be of such a subterfuge. As Ob Bob mentioned, my "I know for a fact Ob Bob is good..." line was to be the start of me coming out as seer, and then the plan was scrapped, but that line was still there. It was a tense moment of figuring out how to get out of that or even if we should try, and thankfully it did work out fine by just ignoring everything. Privately, I had come to the conclusion the wolves were either not focused on the small things or overthinking things. After all, I had - right on the second day - outed myself. And it seems no-one noticed. No-one read into the fact that this:

DarkRula: You still have other memories with other people, no doubt. Even if they think you are a false lover to them.
Ob Bob: This reads like a secret message and honestly I'm confused but aroused. Tell me more.
DarkRula: No secrets involved. We all know you'll fly the sexy flag with anyone you meet up with. But are they as truthful to you as you think?

was me hinting at the fact I had tracked Ob Bob using a night action against Falsey. I'd felt that Ob Bob had got the message, so when PMs were allowed and I was brought into the Bladeforce group, I felt confident that everyone there was good. I outright said that I'd track False and reported back a negative result:

Ob Bob: I'm getting strong Alpha vibes from Falsey
DarkRula: How likely is it? And is it worth checking in case a night action gets taken?
Ob Bob: ... How would you check it?
DarkRula: Oh, I have ways. A backdoor that will let me spy on anyone.
-Next Day-
DarkRula: I cannot say whether False is good or bad. All I know is they weren't sneaking out to perform any actions.

Clearly, the wolves of the group never picked up on that or thought I was too busy bumbling around the wrong corners to be worth killing off. Ob Bob clearly understood who I was from that, since that day I'd got the seered message from Mommy. And even then, I wasn't to know Ob Bob was the seer until the day I almost made the fatal mistake during our plan to try buying Ob Bob more time.

Definitely a fun one to have seen play out.

I'm pretty sure that message of yours was discussed in our wolf chat and you were flagged as the backbencher, so in effect you actually guaranteed your safety as it took you off our list of potential seers. I think towards the end you made your way back onto the list as we wondered whether those messages were for the benefit of any wolves in the group, but as you say I think we got guilty of overthinking things as the game went on, as evidenced by Mori's suspicion that Hypes could have been the seer and the vote rigging was all a play to throw us off.

sawyerpip wrote:I think towards the end you made your way back onto the list as we wondered whether those messages were for the benefit of any wolves in the group, but as you say I think we got guilty of overthinking things as the game went on, as evidenced by Mori's suspicion that Hypes could have been the seer and the vote rigging was all a play to throw us off.

So in the hypothetical situation that the plan had gone ahead as planned, and I'd announced myself as seer to the thread with the information that Ob Bob was backbencher, would we have just made your life easier?

One thing that was sad is how poor SuperChris never managed to roleblock one of the wolf kills.

Roleblocker is so strong, but if you get unlucky it never does anything lol. When he publically claimed roleblocker in the thread I was like, gooseberry fool I better protect him now and then you never attacked him. :lol:

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DarkRula wrote:
sawyerpip wrote:I think towards the end you made your way back onto the list as we wondered whether those messages were for the benefit of any wolves in the group, but as you say I think we got guilty of overthinking things as the game went on, as evidenced by Mori's suspicion that Hypes could have been the seer and the vote rigging was all a play to throw us off.

So in the hypothetical situation that the plan had gone ahead as planned, and I'd announced myself as seer to the thread with the information that Ob Bob was backbencher, would we have just made your life easier?

Quite possibly, it certainly would have got us discussing you and Ob even more and given we'd flagged you as the backbencher we'd likely have considered whether it meant that Ob was the seer.

Qikz wrote:One thing that was sad is how poor SuperChris never managed to roleblock one of the wolf kills.

Roleblocker is so strong, but if you get unlucky it never does anything lol. When he publically claimed roleblocker in the thread I was like, gooseberry fool I better protect him now and then you never attacked him.

I think because the power only worked if he happened to choose the correct one of us which was making the kill we were happy to play the odds and keep going after seer. In a closer game the power could have become really important in the endgame though as there were so many confirmed roles and fewer confirmists he could have blocked a kill at a crucial time.

Good thing we kept quiet, then

I didn't want to go ahead with the switcheroo plan. I had a whole 'my body is ready' post lined up, reunion with beloved Preezy etc :lol:

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Have to say on a somewhat serious note I felt enormous pressure from the off being the only active Seer and it hasn't been great for my mental well-being. I've been thinking about the game constantly since it began and it's been massively distracting me from work and other things. I've spent a lot of time in discomfort, a baby in one hand and my phone in the other! When the Deputy Seer died it cranked up even further. Obviously it all turned out well but if it hadn't I worry for how it might have affected my mood IRL :slol:

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With all that said, I'll still definitely be up for another game next month. As always, I'll be praying for a bog-standard Villager role!

Parksey wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Until Falsey died we thought ObBlov was the spymaster because he'd seemed to claim that role in Bladeforce PMs. We considered killing him after that came out.

Yeah, that threw us. A message like "oh the Spymaster is in this thread" with a smiley. Sounded like that was ObBlov, but in hindsight it was Falsey, and matched up with Mommy saying Falsey was Seered good (not sure why he revealed three Seer results in the thread).

We thought Falsey might be a special role. He was behaving a bit alpha-y so that obviously gets out attention.

ObBlov was constantly suspicious but we always thought "surely he'd seer Bladeforce". I thought he'd Seer me fairly early on.

Mori and I both thought Bladeforce felt extremely fishy. It was a bit different from normal and very cagey. Though saying that, true to form, it did contain a wolf or two.

I've just realised what this was, and it's another balls up by me :lol:

. I must have got the roles mixed up as I was referring to DarkRula, the Backbencher! :fp:

I didn't learn of Falsey's role until he died.

Oblomov Boblomov wrote: I felt enormous pressure from the off being the only active Seer and it hasn't been great for my mental well-being. I've been thinking about the game constantly since it began and it's been massively distracting me from work and other things. I've spent a lot of time in discomfort, a baby in one hand and my phone in the other! When the Deputy Seer died it cranked up even further. Obviously it all turned out well but if it hadn't I worry for how it might have affected my mood IRL

Your game this time around will live on for years, but if it helps... I know lots of us treat these games very seriously but (I'd like to think we all agree) it's only a game. If in a future game a person gets an important or powerful role but isn't able to use it because of things going on in their real life... then that's OK! There are more important things than killing fictional vampires wolves etc via phpBB message board thread in a fantasy game setting. Only you can make the decisions as to how you spend your time and what is worthwhile; nobody should feel accountable to others to spend time on the game if they can't or don't want to, irrespective of the role they get given at the start.

Yeah so we thought that was you alluding to yourself as the Spymaster, which actually helped you survive as you weren't a complete unknown, but had a little side tag next to your name in the unknown bit.

DarkRula, we did know you were the Backbencher because of that post you made about Falsey in the Bladeforce PMs.

However as Bladeforce felt cagey and a bit different from normal, and as ObBlov had thrown the door open to about 6 people, including two wolves, we did think that maybe had swapped with someone. That you were the Seer outing yourself as the Backbencher and that the Backbencher was playing like the Seer etc.

Mori also thought Hypes might have done this with the Chief Whip, so it was definitely something we considered.

I prefered the more logical solution that you were all who you said you were, and we were going through unknowns. Had we survived a bit longer we were thinking of killing DarkRula just on case, but there were still suspicious unknowns to get through.

So yeah, ObBlov's balls up on the Spymaster actually helped him, as it made it sound like it was him and was something he would out in Bladeforce. He was always on our list, but he did have the asterix that said "*Spymaster?" and then "*lied re:role?" which would have probably gotten him killed last night had he not outed himself and the game come to a close.

I did want to bring up the lie on Bladeforce but we knew DarkRula and ObBlov seemed cagey and in cahoots (to be honest, this should have been a bigger red flag for us than we made it). Mori and I thought Bladeforce might have been a bit of a trap for one or both of us. We also felt that the Albear and ObBlov argument in there was staged (it wasn't, right?) so were glad when we got you to lynch him.

Also (and any other former or future gamerunners, say so if you disagree) it's better for the games themselves that people feel less obligation. Often people who might have played otherwise say "I don't have the time" but from the perspective of a gamerunner it's better to have a big game with some inactives or semi-actives, than a small game with only the people who've said they have the next week free to play Alpha should the chance arise.

And yeah, I know about an important role playing havoc with your time.

I spent many a night pouring over what was quite an important kill for us (that Seer kill would have probably flipped it at any point before Sawyer died, maybe even still given us a strong chance with me, Mori and Clarkman).

Herdanos wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote: I felt enormous pressure from the off being the only active Seer and it hasn't been great for my mental well-being. I've been thinking about the game constantly since it began and it's been massively distracting me from work and other things. I've spent a lot of time in discomfort, a baby in one hand and my phone in the other! When the Deputy Seer died it cranked up even further. Obviously it all turned out well but if it hadn't I worry for how it might have affected my mood IRL

Your game this time around will live on for years, but if it helps... I know lots of us treat these games very seriously but (I'd like to think we all agree) it's only a game. If in a future game a person gets an important or powerful role but isn't able to use it because of things going on in their real life... then that's OK! There are more important things than killing fictional vampires wolves etc via phpBB message board thread in a fantasy game setting. Only you can make the decisions as to how you spend your time and what is worthwhile; nobody should feel accountable to others to spend time on the game if they can't or don't want to, irrespective of the role they get given at the start.

It is silly isn't it, and I completely understand that. Although we've all seen the dogs abuse some people have got over the years. I've always been terrified of the death thread, feeling a genuine sense of dread of what might have been said by observers, worst of all that you will read it just after you've suffered the blow of being killed!

It's ridiculous and it shouldn't be like that, I know. In more recent times it's not been that bad – I think going back several years some people will have had to cope with some pretty horrible stuff, whereas these days it's done in a bit more of an overall friendly, if still bluntly critical, spirit. I've possibly been guilty of it myself in the past. These games do get the emotions pumping.

Qikz wrote:One thing that was sad is how poor SuperChris never managed to roleblock one of the wolf kills.

Roleblocker is so strong, but if you get unlucky it never does anything lol. When he publically claimed roleblocker in the thread I was like, gooseberry fool I better protect him now and then you never attacked him.

Yeah I think we generally avoided the roleblocker and the Backbencher pretty well (don't think DarkRula saw us at all)..

That was the benefit of having seven wolves, as we had plenty who could send the kill and pretty much all of us bar Clarkman avoided any real suspicion until we were Seered and died.

Apart from Day 1 when I didn't read carefully enough and just sent the kill as normal without who was doing it. If you'd checked me that night..

The role blocker and protection we could sort of predict and work around a little.

I do think that a lot of the roles weren't very powerful this game, but they bestowed the ultimate power as a combination of a fee things like SSA, PMs and the IPA meant you could easily and quickly gain a list of 100% verifiable players. So something like Chief Whip was useless in and of itself, but valuable because of the role name.

Same with Herbi and Mommy really.

Part of the reason they weren't useful is because of how the game played out and also because the Seer was powerful (because of what they could see and also because of their hit rate/odds).

I like the new roles in theory though. Again, with a tweak I think you could get them in use more a little next time.

I had a really good time following this game. Thanks a bunch OR for posting, and thanks to everyone who played!

Moggy wrote:
Kezzer wrote:Who is on your list Parkesy?

Before everyone starts demanding lists from everyone else, could you at least explain your list?

Are they just suspicions? Do you have any concrete evidence on anybody on the list?

It's easy to just make a list of 11 people. But it's useless without some reasoning behind it.

It's easy to say things in hindsight, but this was a really obvious Moggy/Parksey scumbuddies post! Moggy rushing in to defend the Alpha from having to actually give any opinions. Stuck in my mind all game.

Balladeer wrote:I had a really good time following this game. Thanks a bunch OR for posting, and thanks to everyone who played!

Moggy wrote:
Kezzer wrote:Who is on your list Parkesy?

Before everyone starts demanding lists from everyone else, could you at least explain your list?

Are they just suspicions? Do you have any concrete evidence on anybody on the list?

It's easy to just make a list of 11 people. But it's useless without some reasoning behind it.

It's easy to say things in hindsight, but this was a really obvious Moggy/Parksey scumbuddies post! Moggy rushing in to defend the Alpha from having to actually give any opinions. Stuck in my mind all game.

I think everyone reads far more into my posts than is actually there. :lol:

That post would have been far more "put pressure/suspicion on Kezzer!" than "defend the Alpha!".

The same goes for the "Moggy is playing weird, he's pretending to not understand things!". Nope, I really am just stupid and easily confused. :lol:

To be honest, I think that was possibly just coincidence?

Moggy might say differently, but we generally agreed on him being an "Antagoniser" as it fits his style and post count. So we would decide to poke certain members on certain days, and I think he was likely just replying to do that to Kezzer, who we felt could be provoked, rather than defending me.

I had no problems.naming my suspicions as I'd already cleared it with the group who I was going to say (was going to say Clarkman, one of our current suspicions and then a random good guy like Zilnad). Clarkman was going to be my go-to wolf suspicion.

Plus we found that, due to Moggy's activity, we'd often post after him or to him anyway, as everyone does. You have to lean in to it when you're playing with real accounts.

For the most part, in the thread Moro and I basically posted as if we were human, so a lot of what I was saying, I would have been saying any way.

'As if we were human' :lol:

Qikz wrote:One thing that was sad is how poor SuperChris never managed to roleblock one of the wolf kills.

Roleblocker is so strong, but if you get unlucky it never does anything lol. When he publically claimed roleblocker in the thread I was like, gooseberry fool I better protect him now and then you never attacked him.

Aw thank you for that Qikz.

I did try roleblock sawyerpip and Clarkman only it wasn’t their turn to make the kill I think

Balladeer wrote:'As if we were human'

I pretend to be human in most threads.

Parksey wrote:To be honest, I think that was possibly just coincidence?

Moggy might say differently, but we generally agreed on him being an "Antagoniser" as it fits his style and post count. So we would decide to poke certain members on certain days, and I think he was likely just replying to do that to Kezzer, who we felt could be provoked, rather than defending me.

I had no problems.naming my suspicions as I'd already cleared it with the group who I was going to say (was going to say Clarkman, one of our current suspicions and then a random good guy like Zilnad). Clarkman was going to be my go-to wolf suspicion.

Plus we found that, due to Moggy's activity, we'd often post after him or to him anyway, as everyone does. You have to lean in to it when you're playing with real accounts.

For the most part, in the thread Moro and I basically posted as if we were human, so a lot of what I was saying, I would have been saying any way.

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