The Football Thread 2011/12

[8raz]

Terry has also got a case of being racist, which is why I brought him into my post, in fact his is much worse as there is actually evidence. In the mean time, Suarez gets an unjust 8 game ban significantly derailing Liverpool's top 4 push alongside the injury of Lucas, whereas Terry gets a European Cup and FA Cup in the process.

this is so ridiculous i don't even know where to begin. you haven't explained how the decision is "unjust" in any way at all. you just say it is. because that's what you want to believe. please explain how the decision is "unjust" instead of just complaining that evra getting all uppity affected liverpool's top 4 push.

Yes the FA report did conclude that Suarez was racist which is why I'm criticising Fergie's cronies.

actually no it didn't. evra himself said he didn't think suarez was racist.

There was no evidence to allow that conclusion to be acceptable, but hey, they were always going to be on Utd's side, it's the FA.

actually there is evidence. when one side has a largely consistent version of events and the other doesn't then it's pretty clear that one is being dishonest.

Read the truth here. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/25/luis-suarez-liverpool-patrice-evra?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+theguardian%2Ffootball%2Frss+%28Football%29

sigh

[rudderless]

Everyone always talks about how he managed to 'save Wigan' and 'the great escape' and all that.

How did they get into those positions in the first place?

Because they often have to sell their best players to balance the books and he's constantly had to operate under very stringent financial restrictions.

It's clear he's happened across a system now that works very well for the team he has. If he can transfer that to a bigger team with more money to spend, who's to say he couldn't recreate Wigan's late season results across an entire season? I'm not saying he will, but he's earned a shot at guiding a bigger side.

[BCFC Fan]

It's unjust because there has been no evidence, Evra's word against Suarez's. As I've already said, Suarez had support from many other South Americans, claiming that he wasn't being racist.

One side sticking to their story doesn't make it evidence, wow.

And if Evra said himself he wasn't being racist, and according to you the FA's report also deemed him not to be racist, why did he get an 8 game ban? Your arguement makes no sense?

[Kanbei]

I can't believe I'm actually going to do this, against my better judgement, I'm going to get into an argument with BCFC fan

Right;

1. First thing's first. Suarez ADMITTED THAT HE USED THE WORD "NEGRO". This is indisputable, he admits it himself, check absolutely everything to do with the case he has never denied it. How you can even say that Evra is a liar when SUAREZ HIMSELF HAS ADMITTED HE HAS USED THE LANGUAGE is utterly ridiculous.

2. It is not one man's word against the other, do us a favour and actually check the report. Suarez's own legal team ADMITS that it's not one man's word against an other.

3. Liverpool's story kept on changing, Evra's did not. This is all spelt out in the report, read it yourself. How this makes Evra the liar when Liverpool/Suarez were the one's who kept changing their story is utterly beyond me.

4. Yes, Evra said Suarez wasn't a racist, but he wasn't charged with being a racist, he was charged with using racist language, different thing altogether.

5. Doesn't matter that it is "ok" to use that term in his country. Different culture, different rules. It's not acceptable to use it here. Tough gooseberry fool.

6. Liverpool didn't appeal, this should say quite alot. If the evidence was so awful and horrendous and everyone was so corrupt. Surely an appeal to a different panel would have cleared him?

7. Terry is a different matter altogether, if the FA charge him now with the criminal case pending they will be held in contempt of court. They will deal with him after the trial is finished (providing he is found guilty).

[8raz]

It's unjust because there has been no evidence, Evra's word against Suarez's.

stop parroting shite from idiots and read the report you utter moron. honestly. what sort of evidence do you have in mind? what kind of evidence can there possibly be aside from both parties(and others) giving their accounts to an independant panel?

As I've already said, Suarez had support from many other South Americans, claiming that he wasn't being racist.

lot's of south americans came out in support of suarez when everyone thought he'd only used the word "negrito" once. it's now clear that this wasn't the case. how many south americans came out in support when he was alleged to have said "blackie blackie blackie blackie"?

One side sticking to their story doesn't make it evidence, wow.

actually it does when the other side is inconsistent to the point of being completely unreliable. you do understand the basic concept of reliability don't you? by this logic, nobody can be convicted of racially abusing anyone if it happens in private because it's just "one word against the other". no. these things are judged on the reliability of the accounts given. do you know what a cross examination is?

And if Evra said himself he wasn't being racist, and according to you the FA's report also deemed him not to be racist, why did he get an 8 game ban? Your arguement makes no sense?

so what? you can be non-racist in the sense that you don't hate black people and still commit racist acts. this isn't difficult to grasp.

[Preezy]

BCFC, any chance you could just strawberry float off and leave us to our football discussions?

Cretin.

[Luboluke]

I wonder if Liverpool ever approached Van Gaal or Spaletti, Mazzari could perhaps be persuaded seeing as Napoli won't be in the CL either. Maybe they got a bit embarrassed at being turned down.

[BCFC Fan]

I can't believe I'm actually going to do this, against my better judgement, I'm going to get into an argument with BCFC fan

Right;

1. First thing's first. Suarez ADMITTED THAT HE USED THE WORD "NEGRO". This is indisputable, he admits it himself, check absolutely everything to do with the case he has never denied it. How you can even say that Evra is a liar when SUAREZ HIMSELF HAS ADMITTED HE HAS USED THE LANGUAGE is utterly ridiculous.

2. It is not one man's word against the other, do us a favour and actually check the report. Suarez's own legal team ADMITS that it's not one man's word against an other.

3. Liverpool's story kept on changing, Evra's did not. This is all spelt out in the report, read it yourself. How this makes Evra the liar when Liverpool/Suarez were the one's who kept changing their story is utterly beyond me.

4. Yes, Evra said Suarez wasn't a racist, but he wasn't charged with being a racist, he was charged with using racist language, different thing altogether.

5. Doesn't matter that it is "ok" to use that term in his country. Different culture, different rules. It's not acceptable to use it here. Tough gooseberry fool.

6. Liverpool didn't appeal, this should say quite alot. If the evidence was so awful and horrendous and everyone was so corrupt. Surely an appeal to a different panel would have cleared him?

7. Terry is a different matter altogether, if the FA charge him now with the criminal case pending they will be held in contempt of court. They will deal with him after the trial is finished (providing he is found guilty).

1. I know he has used the word, but at the same time fellow South Americans have supported him, as I say for the 3rd time. He at the time (and still now) speaks little English and would have been unaware of the meaning of the word in England.

2. It doesn't matter if it's not one mans word, it's true that he did say it, but did not know of the consequences in saying it.

3. Liverpool's story kept changing, Suarez's didn't. Evra is a cretin.

4/5. In that case the punishment was even more ridiculous than I'd previously thought. So the FA knew he wasn't being racist yet still charged him?

6. Liverpool didn't appeal because it's clear that the FA will always back anything to do with Man Utd and doing so would be pointless. Their American owners also wouldn't have liked the anti Liverpool image that the 'Fergie' media was creating which is completely understandable.

7. I'm not saying Terry has anything to do with the Suarez case. Simply using it as an example of the double standards in this country and I'll guarantee now that nothing will come of the case, despite of the video evidence clearly showing the truth.

Preezy, piss off.

[Lotus]

According to the BBC, Ranieri has had talks with West Brom.

If he's talking to them, Randy, get him on the phone.

[Preezy]

Preezy, piss off.

Come at me bro

[BCFC Fan]

Crying about me spoiling your peaceful football discussions, just because I don't adore the twat that is SAF. Sad, sad individual.

[Photek]

Jesus, the Suarez shite again!

He served his time drop it! I'll give Martinez a chance, it's the least any manager deserves.

[Preezy]

You seem utterly obsessed with Fergie, you mention more than all of the United fans on this forum put together

Still, I guess we need people like you to remind us of how not to act.

[BCFC Fan]

Absolutely. He's a banana split.

[Glowy69]

He isnt BCFC, a guy who has won everything and dominated english football for 20 years is not a "banana split"

[BCFC Fan]

He isnt BCFC, a guy who has won everything and dominated english football for 20 years is not a "banana split"

Yet you seem to have a dislike for Dalglish?

[Photek]

I'm not defending BCFC but he's allowed to hate who he wants. What on earth does someone's achievements got to do with wether he's a prat or not!?

[Glowy69]

He isnt BCFC, a guy who has won everything and dominated english football for 20 years is not a "banana split"

Yet you seem to have a dislike for Dalglish?

Yeah because he has been back in management 1 year and acts like a wanker to everyone non liverpool supporting person he comes across. Also he defended suarez during that gooseberry fool storm and made liverpool look like a joke

[Glowy69]

I'm not defending BCFC but he's allowed to hate who he wants. What on earth does someone's achievements got to do with wether he's a prat or not!?

Prat is fine photek. Fergie is a prat sometimes, not really a banana split though is he?

[Zartan]

Meanwhile in other football circles, I have just discovered that there are loads of tickets left for the Olympic football. Seems that it is only £20 for a ticket on the 1st August at Cardiff to watch Mexico Vs Switzerland followed by Great Britain Vs Uruguay. Seems a bit too cheap to be honest, I am sure I must be missing something (other than it being a bit of a wierd tournament)