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lex-man wrote:

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NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf

The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.

Try telling that to Brexiters they seem to think the RoI will vote to rejoin the UK. Also the Unionists would kick up a major stink if that happened.

Yes, I was talking purely about solutions that would work in the context of Brexit.

A hard boarder either between NI and Britain or NI and RoI would work, the problem is that various different parties would block the decision.

Legally it wouldn’t unless the Good Friday Agreement was scrapped.

Well it would be possible to renegotiate the Good Friday agreement.

I dont think it would be, asking Sinn Fein to agree that Northern Ireland should be treated differently to the Republic is not gonna happen.

Sinn Fein have never been in power... so who cares what they think?

If they can shut down the assembly then I’d imagine they can stop GFA amendments.

There is no assembly.

That’s literally what I said.

Photek wrote:Any tampering with the GFA will only increase the speed in which we all head towards a united Ireland.

Do people in Rep of Ireland actually want to be united with N. Ireland? I mean it's going to be like German unification all over again when the West Germans were happy and celebrating then they started taking trips to East Germany and realised that nothing worth while had been built in the past 50 years and the infrastructure was terrible leaving the now unified Germany with massive bills to bring the East up to speed. Something that is still ongoing now over 25 years later.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Photek wrote:Any tampering with the GFA will only increase the speed in which we all head towards a united Ireland.

Do people in Rep of Ireland actually want to be united with N. Ireland? I mean it's going to be like German unification all over again when the West Germans were happy and celebrating then they started taking trips to East Germany and realised that nothing worth while had been built in the past 50 years and the infrastructure was terrible leaving the now unified Germany with massive bills to bring the East up to speed. Something that is still ongoing now over 25 years later.

I think it would be nice to have an Island of Ireland. Comparing East Germany with Northern Ireland is incredibly harsh.

Personally, I took a wrong turn in Newry a few years ago and ended up win a neighbourhood with blue white and red kerbs and driving with an Irish reg I was acutely aware that pretty much everyone was staring at me (irish car registrations btw are completely different to UK ones). It was very unnerving. That wouldn't go away over night but yeah in time a united Ireland would be great and to not have that bizarre tribalism in people's faces.

Photek wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Photek wrote:Any tampering with the GFA will only increase the speed in which we all head towards a united Ireland.

Do people in Rep of Ireland actually want to be united with N. Ireland? I mean it's going to be like German unification all over again when the West Germans were happy and celebrating then they started taking trips to East Germany and realised that nothing worth while had been built in the past 50 years and the infrastructure was terrible leaving the now unified Germany with massive bills to bring the East up to speed. Something that is still ongoing now over 25 years later.

I think it would be nice to have an Island of Ireland. Comparing East Germany with Northern Ireland is incredibly harsh.

Personally, I took a wrong turn in Newry a few years ago and ended up win a neighbourhood with blue white and red kerbs and driving with an Irish reg I was acutely aware that pretty much everyone was staring at me (irish car registrations btw are completely different to UK ones). It was very unnerving. That wouldn't go away over night but yeah in time a united Ireland would be great and to not have that bizarre tribalism in people's faces.

I was under the impression until relatively recently the North of Ireland was in a better state than the South?

Northern Ireland's one of the poorest regions in all of western Europe, and requires subsidy from the UK government to function. But I still wouldn't compare Irish reunification to the shock of absorbing East Germany.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Photek wrote:Any tampering with the GFA will only increase the speed in which we all head towards a united Ireland.

Do people in Rep of Ireland actually want to be united with N. Ireland? I mean it's going to be like German unification all over again when the West Germans were happy and celebrating then they started taking trips to East Germany and realised that nothing worth while had been built in the past 50 years and the infrastructure was terrible leaving the now unified Germany with massive bills to bring the East up to speed. Something that is still ongoing now over 25 years later.

Every poll I've seen says that people in the Republic are in favour of a United Ireland but the percentage falls if the question mentions the potential cost of a United Ireland. It's all a bit arbitrary as stuff like a potential handover period from the UK to Ireland isn't factored in to the potential cost.

Relatively speaking a lot of infrastructure in Ireland isn't up to scratch, especially public transport. Our spending on trains for instance is pitiful when a decent rail network would be a huge benefit and a realistic goal for a country this size. The road network has improved a lot but there is still a lot more to be done. The governments 2040 plan if implemented in full would put infrastructure in the Republic a fair ways ahead of in Northern Ireland but it wouldn't be a night and day difference.

The cost wouldn’t be an issue. As part of the divorce settlement the UK would pay £billions to RoI.

twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/988459916187795456

This Brexit thing appears to be going well.

She should go to the House of Lords and glare at them again.

I'd imagine she'll just ignore the lords.

Rex Kramer wrote:I'd imagine she'll just ignore the lords.

The Parliament Act will let the government overrule the Lords, but it’ll take a year.

Moggy wrote:

Rex Kramer wrote:I'd imagine she'll just ignore the lords.

The Parliament Act will let the government overrule the Lords, but it’ll take a year.

It might embolden parliament to rebel against her, it definitely won't look very.

lex-man wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Rex Kramer wrote:I'd imagine she'll just ignore the lords.

The Parliament Act will let the government overrule the Lords, but it’ll take a year.

It might embolden parliament to rebel against her, it definitely won't look very.

I'm sure the Mail will be on a rabble rousing mission again soon - Will of the People, unelected Lords trouncing democracy etc.

Rex Kramer wrote:

lex-man wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Rex Kramer wrote:I'd imagine she'll just ignore the lords.

The Parliament Act will let the government overrule the Lords, but it’ll take a year.

It might embolden parliament to rebel against her, it definitely won't look very.

I'm sure the Mail will be on a rabble rousing mission again soon - Will of the People, unelected Lords trouncing democracy etc.

It’ll be hilarious if Brexit ends up with a united Ireland and an elected House of Lords. And then we rejoin.

Moggy wrote:

Rex Kramer wrote:

lex-man wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Rex Kramer wrote:I'd imagine she'll just ignore the lords.

The Parliament Act will let the government overrule the Lords, but it’ll take a year.

It might embolden parliament to rebel against her, it definitely won't look very.

I'm sure the Mail will be on a rabble rousing mission again soon - Will of the People, unelected Lords trouncing democracy etc.

It’ll be hilarious if Brexit ends up with a united Ireland and an elected House of Lords. And then we rejoin.

That would be the best outcome possible, really.

This whole thing is so strawberry floating infuriating but at the same time I somehow feel completely apathetic with each passing day

BID0 wrote:This whole thing is so strawberry floating infuriating but at the same time I somehow feel completely apathetic with each passing day

I know what you mean. I don’t feel apathetic as such, it’s more a complete feeling of powerlessness. Remain supporters have no voice in government at all at the moment, both the Conservatives and Labour are ploughing ahead with Brexit. A few MPs will rebel and speak out, but nowhere near enough to make me think this can all be overturned.

What’s especially frustrating is on top of that, we are also living with one of the most incompetent Parliaments of all time.

Moggy wrote:

BID0 wrote:This whole thing is so strawberry floating infuriating but at the same time I somehow feel completely apathetic with each passing day

I know what you mean. I don’t feel apathetic as such, it’s more a complete feeling of powerlessness. Remain supporters have no voice in government at all at the moment, both the Conservatives and Labour are ploughing ahead with Brexit. A few MPs will rebel and speak out, but nowhere near enough to make me think this can all be overturned.

What’s especially frustrating is on top of that, we are also living with one of the most incompetent Parliaments of all time.

I think we're facing limbo for a very long time.

As much as I think they will struggle to overturn Brexit, its becoming increasingly unlikely they can enact it either. Watching the gammons go through the whole gammet of gammony emotions from pink to bacon to puce is providing me the most joy as they battle with the concept of common sense and reality.

An irish caller hinted at it on James O'Brien last friday but its amazing from the outside looking in what a bubble the UK seems to exist within. It's almost Orwellian and its something that I don't remember seeing before. It's definitively a recent enough manifestation.