Rich Stanton on Future's dodgy dealings - GTA4's [10] bought

RoShamPoe wrote:...When I say you "can't," I mean in the logical, forward thinking, open-minded, reasonable, rationale sense. This forum may have that in short supply, the jury is still out...

Mafro wrote:^ I like this new guy

mic wrote:

RoShamPoe wrote:...When I say you "can't," I mean in the logical, forward thinking, open-minded, reasonable, rationale sense. This forum may have that in short supply, the jury is still out...

WHOA - now hold on one gosh-darned minute...! And here I was just about to roll out the welcome wagon!

Falsey wrote:dont look at them pictures i sent you then plz

NickSCFC wrote:Good point about magazines for the chop, I can only see the following being around for the next-gen...

EDGE
GamesMaster
PC Gamer
Official PlayStation Magazine
Official Xbox Magazine
Official Nintendo Magazine
Retro Gamer

These will be digital only in 5 years, the rest will be axed next year.

RoShamPoe wrote:

Falsey wrote:dont look at them pictures i sent you then plz

Too late, already photoshopped for the new meme "Objects in mirror are closer than they appear"

I mean in the logical, forward thinking, open-minded, reasonable, rationale sense. This forum may have that in short supply, the jury is still out

Rik wrote:I have a simple formula of taking the Edge and Games TM score and then dividing by two, it has rarely let me down.

Rik wrote:

I mean in the logical, forward thinking, open-minded, reasonable, rationale sense. This forum may have that in short supply, the jury is still out

I'm afraid you're in for a massive let down here then, couple of years ago you would have been fine but then everyone became entitled.

TheTurnipKing wrote:

Rik wrote:I have a simple formula of taking the Edge and Games TM score and then dividing by two, it has rarely let me down.

So, kind of like a cut price Metacritic then?

I prefer words.

Shadow wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:Good point about magazines for the chop, I can only see the following being around for the next-gen...

EDGE
GamesMaster
PC Gamer
Official PlayStation Magazine
Official Xbox Magazine
Official Nintendo Magazine
Retro Gamer

These will be digital only in 5 years, the rest will be axed next year.

Doesn't GamesTM sell more than EDGE?

KKLEIN wrote:Bracketed are for 1st Jan 2010 - 31st December 2010 unless otherwise stated.

Official PlayStation Magazine: 38,262 (down from 46,012)
PSM3: 16,815 (down from 20,640)
Play: 15,693 (down from 21,735)
Xbox 360: The Official Xbox Magazine: 58,610 (down from 60,859)
Xbox World (formerly Xbox World 360): 20,738 (down from 23,061)
X360: 20,695 (down from 24,090)
360: 9,335 (down from 11,183)
360 Gamer: 13,124 (down from 15,325 July - 31 Dec 2010)
Official Nintendo Magazine: 36,197 (down from 45,015)
N-Gamer: 7,745 (down from 10,589)
PC Gamer: 23,652 (down from 25,019)
EDGE: 24,443 (down from 28,051)
GamesTM: 15,066 (down from 18,025)
GamesMaster: 23,313 (down from 28,003)

As a startling statistic, all those magazines combined are still selling over 100,000 copies less than Official PlayStation was doing at its peak in 1999.

And the rest...

Zoo: 54,599 (up from 54,318 Jan - 30 Jun 2011)
Nuts: 114,116 (up from 114,019 Jan - 30 Jun 2011)
FHM: 140,716 (down from 155,557 Jan - 30 June 2011)
Loaded: 34,505 (down from 49,448 July - 31 Dec 2010)
Top Gear: 180,208 (down from 190,535 Jan - 30 Jun 2011)
T3: 49,006
Empire: 167,056
Total Film: 70,908
Stuff: 80,226

RoShamPoe wrote:

TheTurnipKing wrote:

RoShamPoe wrote:Secondly, I find your faith disturbing to twist a famous phrase. Or rather, your conviction. If you haven't played Dishonored, I don't believe you have any right to judge the score it's received.

No.

Sorry, I'm not having that.

Silva is perfectly entitled to have doubts over the score based on a cynical belief over the state of videogame "journalism", irrespective of whether or not he's played the game. He's not disparaging the title.

"You can't hate this because you've not played it yet" is something I find particuarly irritating. There's any number of entirely legitimate rationales someone could use to judge a game worthy of their time out of hand.

While I can understand why you'd find that argument irritating, it's probably most often used incorrectly. Video games, books, movies, etc. are inherently personal experiences and therefore need to be judged as such. Does an review inform on such things? Of course. Does the negative state of the reviewing industry inform on such? Correct again. But you can't unequivocally make statements without firsthand experience. I mean, you of course can, but it's completely illogical and foolish. When I say you "can't," I mean in the logical, forward thinking, open-minded, reasonable, rationale sense. This forum may have that in short supply, the jury is still out. (pro-tip: most do)

To clarify, I agree more or less on reviews and the state of the industry. Also, I agree Dishonored probably doesn't warrant a 10. Silva didn't express doubts, (s)he claimed foreknowledge with the only basis being that the reviewing industry is sketchy. Having doubts is perfectly fine, applying rigid stereotypes is not.

mic wrote:Peter, I don't think that's what he meant at all!

Any review should be based upon near-enough ideal (or at least average) circumstances. Were wii game reviews saturated with "it might not work in your environment - try the demo"? The point is that the game apparently isn't satisfactorily responsive in ANY environment, hence the suggestion to try it and see if you have the patience to get on with it?

Besides, such disclaimers are for the hardware manufacturers, surely? If people didn't like the review, they should have bitten the bullet, made a decision whether or not to continue business with "the freelancer" and left it at that! They should NOT have tacked on a patronising addendum saying - **always try the demo***

StayDead wrote:

Dblock wrote:What is this /v/ stuff ?

Seriously?

/v/ is the 4ch*n board for talking about games. vidya.

Rik wrote:

I mean in the logical, forward thinking, open-minded, reasonable, rationale sense. This forum may have that in short supply, the jury is still out

I'm afraid you're in for a massive let down here then, couple of years ago you would have been fine but then everyone became entitled.

mic wrote:And you don't feel the necessity of trying the demo somewhat invalidates the review for those unable to?