Rich Stanton on Future's dodgy dealings - GTA4's [10] bought

Dual wrote:Pretty sure it's just a game.

KKLEIN wrote:Well if an outcome of a review is ultimately 'well you should probably play the demo' it begs the question why I've just spent 10 minutes reading it, when I could have just done that anyway. Where's the conviction? I'm reading the website for them to tell me if it's worth playing. But then it's a third party commenting on someone else's work again - what is this, a Future staple all of a sudden? - while failing to credit who actually wrote the review in the first place. Who's this mystery freelancer?

rudderless wrote:Edwin is just suggesting that those who might have issues with Kinect see how they get on with the demo first.

That's the job of the review!

The reviewer does mentioned the controls in the review, in fact he puts down the controllers faults as a negative at the end of the review and mentions that Kinect can make it frustrating. All the editor is saying is that if you are worried about how it will work on your individual set-up then give the demo a try first.

SpaceJebus wrote:

KKLEIN wrote:Well if an outcome of a review is ultimately 'well you should probably play the demo' it begs the question why I've just spent 10 minutes reading it, when I could have just done that anyway. Where's the conviction? I'm reading the website for them to tell me if it's worth playing. But then it's a third party commenting on someone else's work again - what is this, a Future staple all of a sudden? - while failing to credit who actually wrote the review in the first place. Who's this mystery freelancer?

rudderless wrote:Edwin is just suggesting that those who might have issues with Kinect see how they get on with the demo first.

That's the job of the review!

The reviewer does mentioned the controls in the review, in fact he puts down the controllers faults as a negative at the end of the review and mentions that Kinect can make it frustrating. All the editor is saying is that if you are worried about how it will work on your individual set-up then give the demo a try first.

BINGO.

$ilva $hadow wrote:

Dan. wrote:

$ilva $hadow wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:

$ilva $hadow wrote:Dishonoured (clearly getting 10/10 and 9/10 scores due to ad revenue related pressure as well as publisher pressure)

Have you played Dishonored?

That's exactly how it starts.

"have you played this game that was awarded 10/10 on hype alone? The reviews which were embargoed until release?"

No I haven't played it, neither have you, and it's not worth 10/10 for sure.

Maybe I'm missing something here but this makes absolutely zero sense to me. How can you know what score a game's worth without playing it?

Dude I don't know what score the game is worth, except that it's not worth a 10/10 based on all the other games that get awarded high scores for being a game from a big publisher.

It's not that hard to surmise that this kind of problem is rife within the industry. It only takes a moment to read more credible websites and reviewers discussions to see that it isn't worth a 10/10, especially when a few of the folks on RPS with some credibility are saying that it isn't better than Thief at all, and the storyline is severely lacking. I mean that's just the tip of the iceberg, I don't know how a singleplayer storybased game that doesn't have an engaging narrative that's more evolved from it's predecessors can even get a 10/10 score.


tl;dr, I don't know what it's worth, I only know that it's not a 10/10 just like when I read that GTA4 had an oscar award winning script was bullshit. It's a sixth sense I have, a combination of intelligence and experience.

Hello there. A couple things" tldr is usually used when the post has more than one paragraph. I'm not a grammer or punctuation nazi, but I do wonder if our attention span is so short that we now can't read a single sentence followed by a single paragraph. Adderall all around I suppose.

Secondly, I find your faith disturbing to twist a famous phrase. Or rather, your conviction. If you haven't played Dishonored, I don't believe you have any right to judge the score it's received. I have played it (not finished) and can tell you from what I played so far that it's not a 10, but you have no way of knowing that in your own mind. Sure, previous experience with poor reviews and reviewers has informed your opinion on the process. I get that, great. But being unequivocally convicted is just small-minded and daft. It's not common sense or a sixth sense to make these broad sweeping statements, it's vitriol and bile.

And also, not everyone's neckbeard revolves around 4ch*n. When someone asks what /v/ is, maybe not responding like a douche will strengthen any other arguments you have.

Someone was so bumpain they actually registered

Wow, Silva brings new members to the forum?

rudderless wrote:I've written hundreds of times as many reviews as you

Really tempted to sig this.

Green Gecko wrote:Wow, Silva brings new members to the forum?

That's one way to look at it, I guess, heh.

Can you shorten your responses to one sentence please, I find anything more a little stressful to digest.

StayDead wrote:

Dblock wrote:What is this /v/ stuff ?

Seriously?

/v/ is the 4ch*n board for talking about games. vidya.

I wouldn't have known either, never used 4ch*n.

Getting old though, I don't know what lots of these memes and references mean anymore.

Falsey wrote:Can you shorten your responses to one sentence please, I find anything more a little stressful to digest.

A little vitamin C, a lot of fiber, and reading something that doesn't glow from a backlit display should help your digestion quite nicely.

RoShamPoe wrote:Secondly, I find your faith disturbing to twist a famous phrase. Or rather, your conviction. If you haven't played Dishonored, I don't believe you have any right to judge the score it's received.

No.

Sorry, I'm not having that.

Silva is perfectly entitled to have doubts over the score based on a cynical attitude based on the state of videogame "journalism", irrespective of whether or not he's played the game. He's not disparaging the title.

"You can't hate this because you've not played it yet" is something I find particuarly irritating. There's any number of entirely legitimate rationales someone could use to judge a game worthy of their time out of hand.

$ilva $hadow wrote: <ugly walrus omitted>


Someone was so bumpain they actually registered

random walrus pic is apparently the ultimate non-sequitur; *thumbs up*

This thread just keeps giving!

rudderless, if I didn't own a... Konnecty-thing, is it not conceivable that I might base a decision to purchase (probably incorrectly) said motion-sensor device upon the review of a game I'm somewhat interested in? I only ask because, in that situation, I would be unable to make use of the demo...?

mic wrote:rudderless, if I didn't own a... Konnecty-thing, is it not conceivable that I might base a decision to purchase (probably incorrectly) said motion-sensor device upon the review of a game I'm somewhat interested in? I only ask because, in that situation, I would be unable to make use of the demo...?

It is entirely conceivable. In which case you obviously would be unable to make use of the demo. Edwin's comment was addressed to those who could, and could therefore get first-hand experience of said controls from said demo if they were in any doubt.

So, the new Ferrari traction control system, does it work on the road and the track? Well my advice is - as always - get yourself on a test drive and find out.

And you don't feel the necessity of trying the demo somewhat invalidates the review for those unable to?

TheTurnipKing wrote:

RoShamPoe wrote:Secondly, I find your faith disturbing to twist a famous phrase. Or rather, your conviction. If you haven't played Dishonored, I don't believe you have any right to judge the score it's received.

No.

Sorry, I'm not having that.

Silva is perfectly entitled to have doubts over the score based on a cynical belief over the state of videogame "journalism", irrespective of whether or not he's played the game. He's not disparaging the title.

"You can't hate this because you've not played it yet" is something I find particuarly irritating. There's any number of entirely legitimate rationales someone could use to judge a game worthy of their time out of hand.

While I can understand why you'd find that argument irritating, it's probably most often used incorrectly. Video games, books, movies, etc. are inherently personal experiences and therefore need to be judged as such. Does an review inform on such things? Of course. Does the negative state of the reviewing industry inform on such? Correct again. But you can't unequivocally make statements without firsthand experience. I mean, you of course can, but it's completely illogical and foolish. When I say you "can't," I mean in the logical, forward thinking, open-minded, reasonable, rationale sense. This forum may have that in short supply, the jury is still out. (pro-tip: most do)

To clarify, I agree more or less on reviews and the state of the industry. Also, I agree Dishonored probably doesn't warrant a 10. Silva didn't express doubts, (s)he claimed foreknowledge with the only basis being that the reviewing industry is sketchy. Having doubts is perfectly fine, applying rigid stereotypes is not.

^ I like this new guy

mic wrote:This thread just keeps giving!

rudderless, if I didn't own a... Konnecty-thing, is it not conceivable that I might base a decision to purchase (probably incorrectly) said motion-sensor device upon the review of a game I'm somewhat interested in? I only ask because, in that situation, I would be unable to make use of the demo...?

I purchased it because i'm an idiot.

that applies to much of the gaming junk i've purchased to be honest.