Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

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by Prototype » Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:47 am

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What is the salary of the person who has to clean this up? Completely self-defeating.

This was at the Waitrose round the corner from my uni

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Is there a reason why they are specifically doing it at Waitrose and M&S? Less likely to get their banana split kicked in due to the older shoppers there? I'd put money on the three of there being middle class Edinburgh Uni students.


:lol: For sure.

In fairness, these seem to be the first bunch without pink or purple hair?

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by Knoyleo » Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:52 am

What's hair colour got to do with any of this?

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PostRe: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting
by Jenuall » Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:59 am

People have some really weird priorities about the things that upset/frustrate them.

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by kazanova_Frankenstein » Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:36 pm

Jenuall wrote:People have some really weird priorities about the things that upset/frustrate them.


Try not to let it get to you mate.

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by Moggy » Tue Oct 18, 2022 1:21 pm

Knoyleo wrote:What's hair colour got to do with any of this?


Middle class/posh accent: Trust fund kids with no understanding of the real world! Champagne socialist banana splits!

Pink/purple/green hair: Student scum! Bet they're gender strawberry floating neutral as well! strawberry floating modern day hippy bastards!

Working class accent: Politics of envy mate! Why don't they try working harder! Layabout dole scum with 20 kids I bet, absolute bunch of pricks!

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by Barnsy! » Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:22 pm

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One small thing; I worried (but didn't vocalise as I have no proof either way) that if the painting wasn't protected they would have still carried out this act. I'm glad that they clarified that they wouldn't have done this were the painting not protected by glass and that they didn't have any intention of causing damage to the painting and this was a symbolic gesture. Granted we only have their word for it, but I happen to believe them.

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by Grumpy David » Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:02 pm

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by Carlos » Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:20 pm

kazanova_Frankenstein wrote:
Jenuall wrote:People have some really weird priorities about the things that upset/frustrate them.


Try not to let it get to you mate.


The thing is I can see their point. In fact I actually quite like plant based milk and have oat milk most days on my cereal and in my tea. In Asda it's also cheaper than dairy.

But all that wasted milk could have gone to some struggling mothers who have hardly any money and a toddler to wean off of formula or breastfeeding. Why not buy the milk and donate it to charity and/or the homeless to highlight plant based alternatives and bring attention to people living on the streets which has only gotten visibly worse over the last decade?

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by Squinty » Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:46 pm

I can't help but feel sorry for the cleaner or shop staff who have to sort that mess out.

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by Dowbocop » Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:34 am

Carlos wrote:
kazanova_Frankenstein wrote:
Jenuall wrote:People have some really weird priorities about the things that upset/frustrate them.


Try not to let it get to you mate.


The thing is I can see their point. In fact I actually quite like plant based milk and have oat milk most days on my cereal and in my tea. In Asda it's also cheaper than dairy.

But all that wasted milk could have gone to some struggling mothers who have hardly any money and a toddler to wean off of formula or breastfeeding. Why not buy the milk and donate it to charity and/or the homeless to highlight plant based alternatives and bring attention to people living on the streets which has only gotten visibly worse over the last decade?

Transitioning to a plant based future by buying people cow's milk?

Side note, but the age kids are supposed to stop breastfeeding now is insane. It's like oh yeah, wean then onto solids but still let them latch on until they're about three - it was a hard nope from all the families in the class I went to!

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Reducing plastic/petrochemical use is a separate (but also important) part of the environmental debate to both fossil fuel use and plant based diets. Using the plastic responsibly and stopping burning fuel aren't mutually exclusive.

WRT to his last point, I thought market forces were our friend? :simper:

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by Balladeer » Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:16 pm

Grumpy David wrote:

twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1582422324552552448


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Almost literally the first half of this comic.

As for the rest of his tweets, telling the protectors to use nuance against a government (and broader capitalist movement) that seems incapable of using nuance in its fuel usage is quite a take.

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by Carlos » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:12 pm

Dowbocop wrote:
Carlos wrote:
kazanova_Frankenstein wrote:
Jenuall wrote:People have some really weird priorities about the things that upset/frustrate them.


Try not to let it get to you mate.


The thing is I can see their point. In fact I actually quite like plant based milk and have oat milk most days on my cereal and in my tea. In Asda it's also cheaper than dairy.

But all that wasted milk could have gone to some struggling mothers who have hardly any money and a toddler to wean off of formula or breastfeeding. Why not buy the milk and donate it to charity and/or the homeless to highlight plant based alternatives and bring attention to people living on the streets which has only gotten visibly worse over the last decade?

Transitioning to a plant based future by buying people cow's milk?
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Donating it to charity is a more useful way to stop the public buying it than just throwing it onto the floor.

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by Rocsteady » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:48 pm

Unless they cleaned the milk up with mops as soon as they stopped filming, pouring milk all over shop floors is a total dick move.

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by Shadow » Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:19 pm

Wouldn’t be much of a protest if they immediately apologised and cleaned up the spillage. It would be charmingly British, though.

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by Dowbocop » Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:42 pm

Carlos wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:
Carlos wrote:
kazanova_Frankenstein wrote:
Jenuall wrote:People have some really weird priorities about the things that upset/frustrate them.


Try not to let it get to you mate.


The thing is I can see their point. In fact I actually quite like plant based milk and have oat milk most days on my cereal and in my tea. In Asda it's also cheaper than dairy.

But all that wasted milk could have gone to some struggling mothers who have hardly any money and a toddler to wean off of formula or breastfeeding. Why not buy the milk and donate it to charity and/or the homeless to highlight plant based alternatives and bring attention to people living on the streets which has only gotten visibly worse over the last decade?

Transitioning to a plant based future by buying people cow's milk?
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Donating it to charity is a more useful way to stop the public buying it than just throwing it onto the floor.

They're not conducting a strategic terrorist raid on the milk grid to disrupt national supplies - they are making an overt and deliberately visible protest to spark debate. The milk itself does not matter. I worked in a coffee shop for three years so I'm confident I've dropped more milk on the floor than that entire group did without even trying. Focusing on "wasting food during a cost of living crisis" is a complete misframing of their objectives. Buying and donating milk might be "a more useful way to stop the public buying it" (and by definition it isn't unless they move into large scale shoplifting), but it's about as brave and subversive a political action as using a zebra crossing.

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by Squinty » Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:10 am

I think we know what their objectives are here. It's still a waste.

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by Rocsteady » Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:35 am

Dowbocop wrote:
Carlos wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:
Carlos wrote:
kazanova_Frankenstein wrote:
Jenuall wrote:People have some really weird priorities about the things that upset/frustrate them.


Try not to let it get to you mate.


The thing is I can see their point. In fact I actually quite like plant based milk and have oat milk most days on my cereal and in my tea. In Asda it's also cheaper than dairy.

But all that wasted milk could have gone to some struggling mothers who have hardly any money and a toddler to wean off of formula or breastfeeding. Why not buy the milk and donate it to charity and/or the homeless to highlight plant based alternatives and bring attention to people living on the streets which has only gotten visibly worse over the last decade?

Transitioning to a plant based future by buying people cow's milk?
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Donating it to charity is a more useful way to stop the public buying it than just throwing it onto the floor.

They're not conducting a strategic terrorist raid on the milk grid to disrupt national supplies - they are making an overt and deliberately visible protest to spark debate. The milk itself does not matter. I worked in a coffee shop for three years so I'm confident I've dropped more milk on the floor than that entire group did without even trying. Focusing on "wasting food during a cost of living crisis" is a complete misframing of their objectives. Buying and donating milk might be "a more useful way to stop the public buying it" (and by definition it isn't unless they move into large scale shoplifting), but it's about as brave and subversive a political action as using a zebra crossing.

Bloody hell you must have been messy.

If that protest had happened while I was working on Morrisons for a barely liveable wage, I would not have been impressed at some rich kids coming in and pouring out 10+ litres of milk with the knowledge that I'll have to mop it up. It's degrading.

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by Squinty » Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:34 am

Same experience, I've had to clean up mass spillages whenever I worked for Tesco.

And yes, it's absolutely gooseberry fool doing that and dealing with customers in the process who need something in the area impacted. Some of them just walked straight into it and proceeded to drag the liquid halfway around the shop.

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by Dowbocop » Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:39 pm

Squinty wrote:I think we know what their objectives are here. It's still a waste.

With respect, if you see this and worry about the milk then you have missed the point.

Rocsteady wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:
Carlos wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:
Carlos wrote:
kazanova_Frankenstein wrote:
Jenuall wrote:People have some really weird priorities about the things that upset/frustrate them.


Try not to let it get to you mate.


The thing is I can see their point. In fact I actually quite like plant based milk and have oat milk most days on my cereal and in my tea. In Asda it's also cheaper than dairy.

But all that wasted milk could have gone to some struggling mothers who have hardly any money and a toddler to wean off of formula or breastfeeding. Why not buy the milk and donate it to charity and/or the homeless to highlight plant based alternatives and bring attention to people living on the streets which has only gotten visibly worse over the last decade?

Transitioning to a plant based future by buying people cow's milk?
:


Donating it to charity is a more useful way to stop the public buying it than just throwing it onto the floor.

They're not conducting a strategic terrorist raid on the milk grid to disrupt national supplies - they are making an overt and deliberately visible protest to spark debate. The milk itself does not matter. I worked in a coffee shop for three years so I'm confident I've dropped more milk on the floor than that entire group did without even trying. Focusing on "wasting food during a cost of living crisis" is a complete misframing of their objectives. Buying and donating milk might be "a more useful way to stop the public buying it" (and by definition it isn't unless they move into large scale shoplifting), but it's about as brave and subversive a political action as using a zebra crossing.

Bloody hell you must have been messy.

If that protest had happened while I was working on Morrisons for a barely liveable wage, I would not have been impressed at some rich kids coming in and pouring out 10+ litres of milk with the knowledge that I'll have to mop it up. It's degrading.


I did say that I've had to deal with large milk spills myself before, and we couldn't exactly stop lunchtime service while I moved the fridge out of the way to clean it all up. It's a crap job. I've also had to deal with disruptive industrial action in my shop - a quick forum search shows I actually moaned about it on here back in 2010! I worked in a university coffee shop and somebody set off our building's fire alarms during a tuition fees protest - absolutely pointless, really quite dangerous, and massively disrupted our day. So I totally sympathise with whoever had to clear up the mess (in fairness these protesters did apologise to the staff who were inconvenienced so they sympathised as well, even if you may think it's scant consolation).

I was mightily pissed off that day in 2010! So what's different? Perhaps most obviously: it ain't me cleaning it up! It's an important point I would be remiss not to admit, but my cynical selfishness is definitely not the whole story. In the twelve years since I moaned on here about my protest we've had twelve years of the Tories, Brexit, Trump, BLM, Covid, Crimea - so many signs that the world is completely strawberry floated, without even mentioning the climate crisis! I'm older and hopefully wiser, and can see that people talking direct action to at least try and make the world a better place is a direct result of the world not being good to start with - don't blame the medicine for the disease.

I understand the viewpoint of the clean up crew because I have been in similar situations. However, if you take a step back and think about what is actually at stake with climate change, then I honestly think that having to clean up a bit of wasted milk isn't that big a hardship.

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PostRe: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting
by Squinty » Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:34 pm

Dowbocop wrote:With respect, if you see this and worry about the milk then you have missed the point.


Oh, I totally got the point of it. I just think it's a shitty, wasteful way of protesting.


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