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Somebody Else's Problem wrote:The strawberry float are you banging on about? There's no canon at that point to mess with, and I think you're just being miserable for the sake of it.

They're barely a hundred years past the 31st Century Federation we see in Enterprise, yet they talk as if the Federation has been strawberry floated and gone for way longer than that.

Even then, something as vast as the Federation isn't going to implode and utterly collapse in on itself in barely a century.

This is less "Star Trek" and more "Yet another generic dystopian sci-fi show"

Star Trek was never "hard" sci fi, the timeline doesn't have to make a lot of sense imo. (Though certainly I see the inconsistencies don't help.)

What makes Star Trek unique is its optimistic view of humanity's future - as fundamentally democratic, peaceful, etc. - and I think you can argue that is lacking in Discovery for sure.

Karl_ wrote:What makes Star Trek unique is its optimistic view of humanity's future - as fundamentally democratic, peaceful, etc. - and I think you can argue that is lacking in Discovery for sure.

You could argue it was lacking in DS9, too.

And an empire can easily be lost in a century, given a large enough threat. Seeing as everything we've seen of the Federation shows it to be largely Earth-based, it would be easy to cut the head off, as it were.

Hell, Captain Braxton could have gotten pissed off at being arrested and Annoraxed the gooseberry fool out of the Federation.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Karl_ wrote:What makes Star Trek unique is its optimistic view of humanity's future - as fundamentally democratic, peaceful, etc. - and I think you can argue that is lacking in Discovery for sure.

You could argue it was lacking in DS9, too.

I suppose you could. I haven't seen much of DS9, but I definitely preferred TNG to the bits I did see.

I think the difference between DS9 and Discovery is that DS9 was focused on the story and had combat as a side note while Discovery focuses on combat and the story seems secondary. DS9 also had some terrifically good episodes like episode about defending an outpost where Nog (RIP to a terrific actor) loses his leg that I can't see Discovery doing.

I agree with Karl that Star Trek is supposed to be a hopeful view of humanity in the future not the gritty and depressing future we see in Discovery. I still enjoy Discovery I just don't think it fits in very well with the overall Star Trek universe.

Yeah chalk me up for another that wants to see Star Trek return to its core ethos of a positive view of the future. Discovery has been too distopian, and against other distopian sci fi it is reasonably average.

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What does that mean for Netflix? Is this just for broadcast TV because strawberry float watching it with ad breaks.

Hmmmn I wonder if thats starting with season one and Netflix still have first dibs

Pretty sure it's just the terrestrial broadcast rights and will be starting with Season 1. Broadcast rights are usually separate from streaming rights.

Monkey Man wrote:

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Season One starts tonight at 8pm on E4.

Have Netflix clarified if they're still getting the 3rd Season or not? Because I'll be sailing the high-seas before I watch this on Channel 4.

Cheeky Devlin wrote:Have Netflix clarified if they're still getting the 3rd Season or not?

Was there ever any doubt?

I am a bit annoyed the shorts don't seem to be available in the UK.

Peter Crisp wrote:I am a bit annoyed the shorts don't seem to be available in the UK.

If they're anything like the last lot then we aren't missing anything worth being annoyed about missing.

Lagamorph wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:I am a bit annoyed the shorts don't seem to be available in the UK.

If they're anything like the last lot then we aren't missing anything worth being annoyed about missing.

I liked the last shorts.
The best was about the ship and that guy in the future but I thought they were all good.

Peter Crisp wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:I am a bit annoyed the shorts don't seem to be available in the UK.

If they're anything like the last lot then we aren't missing anything worth being annoyed about missing.

I liked the last shorts.
The best was about the ship and that guy in the future but I thought they were all good.

Part of the problem.

Lagamorph wrote:Part of the problem.

I know Discovery has its problems and I agree it's not a very Star Treklike series as it's overly dark and gritty with way to much action. It's nowhere near the highs of TNG or DS9 but it's not terrible either.
I can see why some fans are upset about it but I suppose I'm just happy to have even ok Trek rather than nothing.
I do however think The Orville is a more Treklike show than Discovery and is the better of the two series by quite a bit.

It'll be interesting to see how Picard goes with Patrick Stewart having a lot of creative input as I have faith he'll make it more like TNG in that it won't be all action and give more room for story and diplomacy.

Discovery is ace and you lot want something that will never again exist, the idea of which is already distorted by nostalgia

fight me

Rudolphin wrote:Discovery is ace and you lot want something that will never again exist, the idea of which is already distorted by nostalgia

fight me

Nah.

Discovery is serviceable Sci-Fi but isn't good Star Trek.
Star Trek is supposed to portray a generally positive and optimistic outcome for the future, Discovery is the opposite of that. And despite promises that lessons would be learned, things would be different going forward and actual apologies for how Season 1 had gone, it's looking like Season 3 will be more of the same grimdark setting that we've seen in almost every sci-fi series since Battlestar Galactica.