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Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:35 am
by Hexx
Vermilion wrote:Also, the blatant targeting of civilians by Hamas has been utterly vile.
Wait until you hear what Israel does.
Joking aside I predict this thread will either die as everyone avoids talking about it, or go absolutely off the rails.
Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:01 am
by Vermilion
Hexx wrote:I predict this thread will either die as everyone avoids talking about it, or go absolutely off the rails.
Definitely agree with this, it's such a divisive issue that it could easily go either way.
Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:10 am
by Moggy
Vermilion wrote:Hexx wrote:I predict this thread will either die as everyone avoids talking about it, or go absolutely off the rails.
Definitely agree with this, it's such a divisive issue that it could easily go either way.
Are you trying to do a "both sides" argument on the apathy of GRcade?
Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:14 am
by Photek
I'm pro Palestine but the atrocities that Hamas have carried out need to be condemned, horrific, you can be angry about both, occupation and apartheid of millions of people for over 50 years is also abhorrent.
America's and the UK's unwavering support of Israel is sickening, Even the EU turn a blind eye.
Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:18 am
by Hexx
Photek wrote:I'm pro Palestine but the atrocities that Hamas have carried out need to be condemned, horrific, you can be angry about both, occupation and apartheid of millions of people for over 50 years is also abhorrent.
America's and the UK's unwavering support of Israel is sickening, Even the EU turn a blind eye.
Pence called it an "unprovoked" attack this morning.
Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:19 am
by Dowbocop
People wonder why history isn't that popular at school now and it's because we learn about motte and bailey castles instead of why Israel and Palestine are knocking the gooseberry fool out of each other. It's such a complicated situation and I honestly don't feel that well equipped to form a strong opinion either way, and when I try to learn more I'm not sure if I can trust the source because it might skew one way or another in a way I don't realise. I'm currently listening to James O'Brien as I normally do on a Monday and you know there are going to be fundamentalists from both sides calling in today.
I obviously deplore what Hamas have done to Israeli civilians, but then Israel have done despicable things to Palestinians in the past. From the early posts in here it sounds like Israel are potentially going to ethnically cleanse Palestine, which is so bitterly ironic it's hard to fathom. And yet the west is seemingly cheerleading this instead of loudly calling for the resumption of talks towards a two-state solution, which to my limited knowledge is the only humane resolution to the issue.
Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:21 am
by Photek
The Israeli Palestinian conflict is thaught in Irish schools. It's not actually that complicated when you boil it all down.
Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:27 am
by Met
I'm already sick of people discussing this at work as if the conflict only started a couple of days ago. And yeah, everyone on the news acting like it did isn't helping.
Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:28 am
by Moggy
Photek wrote:I'm pro Palestine but the atrocities that Hamas have carried out need to be condemned, horrific, you can be angry about both, occupation and apartheid of millions of people for over 50 years is also abhorrent.
America's and the UK's unwavering support of Israel is sickening, Even the EU turn a blind eye.
Great post. That's pretty much where I am on the issue. The Israeli government is responsible for appalling crimes. As are Hamas.
It's hard to see how it can ever be resolved either. I don't see either side ever conceding anything at all to the other.
Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:34 am
by Dowbocop
Photek wrote:The Israeli Palestinian conflict is thaught in Irish schools. It's not actually that complicated when you boil it all down.
It may be taught in schools later on but I certainly didn't learn it before I dropped history as a subject. This is arguably so important everyone should understand it.
Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:40 am
by Albert
Some absolutely horrendous footage coming out of Israel.
What Hamas did on Sunday is inexcusable and shouldn't be defended, but with the way Israel has been treating Palestinians over the years it's not really a surprise that we have seen this sort of reaction.
I just despair at how gooseberry fool the human race can be to eachother. It's just a cycle of hatred that looks set to repeat benefitting none of populations. IMO other countries funding Israel need to take a much stronger line with its behaviours. They have a right to protect themselves. They don't have a right to displace, terrorise, and reenact their own Hollocaust onto another Nation.
Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:40 am
by Photek
Dowbocop wrote:Photek wrote:The Israeli Palestinian conflict is thaught in Irish schools. It's not actually that complicated when you boil it all down.
It may be taught in schools later on but I certainly didn't learn it before I dropped history as a subject. This is arguably so important everyone should understand it.
Agreed.
Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:45 am
by Cuttooth
twitter.com/miqdaad/status/1711292818168172827
Pretty grim gooseberry fool.
twitter.com/NathanJRobinson/status/1711185184177975447
Haaretz, Israel's main liberal newspaper, going after Netanyahu and the far right members of his government as being responsible for getting the conflict to this point.
I think anyone who suggests Hamas has ruined the prospect of a peaceful solution with their vile terror attacks at the weekend are being disingenuous at best. The Israeli government were nowhere near offering the Palestinian people a legitimate state or ending a fifteen year blockade. You would hope that it's this internal pressure on the government that prevents all out genocide on the people in the Gaza Strip, since Israel's allies have been pretty clear that any retribution on their part against Hamas and the wider population of Gaza is entirely justified.
Hopefully all those hostages can get released as soon as possible.