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I'm not a fan of the story of Halo's world and history, but I have enjoyed some if the plots. I found the final stages of Halo 4 surprisingly affecting.

I love the halo canon :wub:

thats why 4 a tad lacklustre.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Frank** » Fri May 16, 2014 5:19 pm

Photek » Fri May 16, 2014 3:32 pm wrote:nobody would be happy with Halo CE today

It's still the best Halo game wtf m8

Frank wrote:It's still the best Halo game wtf m8

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Parksey** » Fri May 16, 2014 5:22 pm

more heat than light wrote:I'm not a fan of the story of Halo's world and history, but I have enjoyed some if the plots. I found the final stages of Halo 4 surprisingly affecting.

The only thing the final stages of Halo 4 affected for me, was my bank balance.

As I traded it in.

As I didn't like it.

I just think the whole Halo universe is dull and uninspiring. Maybe it's just me, but everything seems to have to have a massive connected storyline and canon behind it. Sure, these things have always been around, but now it just seems that any game that does well, gets one bolted on for its sequel and becomes and over-blown pompous trilogy.

I disagree about people not accepting CE's plot today - I think they would. I don't think that videogames, as a whole, have moved on that much when it comes to story-telling. I think gamers would rather have a really basic plot done well, than a complicated, deep story done badly.

I think that is true at any point in time when it comes to videogames. It's just that before, game developers often didn't really want to push narrative ahead of gameplay, or perhaps consider it important at all.

Now, with games are being massive, multi-million pound endeavours, with a whole department dedicate to script writers, story editors and voice actors, then perhaps they feel that narrative has to pull its weight. Unfortunately, this manifests itself in various ways, and one of these is the overblown, po-faced sci-fi opera epic we are treated to every time a game comes out.

It's good that they consider it so important to games, but, really, it isn't important to every game. And, as I said, especially if it is done badly. They'd be better off leaving it alone and scaling it back sometimes.

For what it's worth, the best Halo "plot" apart from the first game, was Reach.

That is largely because you knew the plot from the opening scene, so you just wanted to see how everyone died.

The opening scene in Reach, with your Spartan's custom helmet fractured amidst the smoking ruins of a planet, was a better piece of story-telling than anything in Halo 2, 3 or 4.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Photek** » Fri May 16, 2014 5:34 pm

I disagree.

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Photek » Fri May 16, 2014 12:56 pm wrote:You've come to an awful lot of assumptions based on a game cover harry.

Apparently you missed Halo 4 and the Halo 5 teaser trailer where the 7 foot Masterchief squares off against a 300 ft robot monster in the middle of a desert as though he's got a chance.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Glowy69** » Fri May 16, 2014 6:07 pm

Halos story is brilliant.

Kurt and kilo 5 :wub:

glowy69 wrote:Halos story is brilliant.

It really isn't.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Glowy69** » Fri May 16, 2014 6:16 pm

Fuzzy Dunlop » Fri May 16, 2014 6:11 pm wrote:
glowy69 wrote:Halos story is brilliant.

It really isn't.

I like it. So it is. I've read all the books too. I love it.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Seven** » Fri May 16, 2014 6:17 pm

I didn't think too much of Halo's story but I did enjoy it on some level. But I'd be strawberry floated if I have to read up story/watch clips that probably lacks subtitles/everything just to get up-to-date with Halo series. Nah m8 I'm happy with the 'story' in Halo games; I really enjoyed gameplay otherwise I'd probably not bother with Halo anymore. Did enjoy Halo 4 so I'm looking forward to this. Just not hyping at the moment...

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **tomvek** » Fri May 16, 2014 6:18 pm

Cool, can't wait to see the new engine and where they take the series. Enjoyed most of Halo 4 except for the odd bit here and there. 343 didn't do too bad a job with their first Halo game but I expect them to have learnt a lot from that experience and improve upon it.

Absolutely love the games and the Halo universe so I'm all aboard

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Psychic** » Fri May 16, 2014 6:25 pm

I agree with Parksey and Fuzzy.

I couldn't tell you half of the characters you bump into during the course of the first three Halo games or what most of their motivations were. It's not much of an issue because I doubt there's more than a minority of people who play it for the story, but I can't see much truth in the idea it's a good narrative.

I don't buy into the whole argument that it's better when you include the books either. It might be, but in my position (As with many others I'd imagine) I'm not going to spend another few hours reading a few books in order to make sense of the bigger picture. If game developers can't make their story compelling in the confines of the game, then that's their problem not mine.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Photek** » Fri May 16, 2014 6:29 pm

Frank » Fri May 16, 2014 5:19 pm wrote:
Photek » Fri May 16, 2014 3:32 pm wrote:nobody would be happy with Halo CE today

It's still the best Halo game wtf m8

Way to take a sentence out if context, I meant story wise.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Glowy69** » Fri May 16, 2014 6:35 pm

PsychicSykes » Fri May 16, 2014 6:25 pm wrote:I agree with Parksey and Fuzzy.

I couldn't tell you half of the characters you bump into during the course of the first three Halo games or what most of their motivations were. It's not much of an issue because I doubt there's more than a minority of people who play it for the story, but I can't see much truth in the idea it's a good narrative.

I don't buy into the whole argument that it's better when you include the books either. It might be, but in my position (As with many others I'd imagine) I'm not going to spend another few hours reading a few books in order to make sense of the bigger picture. If game developers can't make their story compelling in the confines of the game, then that's their problem not mine.

I didn't read the books to fill in the bigger picture.

I read them because I enjoyed the story from the halo games.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Psychic** » Fri May 16, 2014 6:47 pm

Wasn't referring to your post glowy, but to the first paragraph of Photeks at the foot of the previous page and the general debate in the thread.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Glowy69** » Fri May 16, 2014 6:49 pm

PsychicSykes » Fri May 16, 2014 6:47 pm wrote:Wasn't referring to your post glowy, but to the first paragraph of Photeks at the foot of the previous page and the general debate in the thread.

Oooh.

Carry on. :shifty:

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Parksey** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:12 pm

PsychicSykes wrote:I don't buy into the whole argument that it's better when you include the books either. It might be, but in my position (As with many others I'd imagine) I'm not going to spend another few hours reading a few books in order to make sense of the bigger picture. If game developers can't make their story compelling in the confines of the game, then that's their problem not mine.

Yeah, I remember this argument surfacing when Halo 4 was released - when a lot of people who hadn't read the book were bemused at who the main antagonist. They had no real idea who he was or what was his agenda. Saying that it is all in a book somewhere - a whole other medium lest we forget - doesn't excuse the game's failings in muddling its villain. A game's plot should stand up on its own two legs, not be propped up by expanded universe materials, like books or comics. They can enrich it, but they are additional pursuits - people who just play the games shouldn't be left bemused.

If you're going to "do" an epic, complicated narrative, do it right. Don't spread it over so many materials that it loses sight of what it originally was - a storyline in a game. In Halo 4, the game's plot ultimately suffered fromthe the plot having its fingers in other pies.

Ultimately, as I said, I think the developers' desire for an epic storyline spanning several trilogies of titles, many books and other materials stretches an already sinuous narrative to breaking point - Halo's plot isn't strong enough, deep enough or, in my eyes, compelling enough to sustain it.

I believe the best storyline is still Combat Evolved. It does more with its limited plot, rather than much, much less with its convoluted Universe, which successive Halo games have fallen foul of.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Parksey** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:29 pm

Also, just out of interest, for those who said Halo CE's plot wouldn't stand up today, what would you add to it?

Most of us will have played Anniversary a few years ago, and did people find the plot lacking? What would you have changed? Were you playing it thought again and thinking: "I was there was more storyline to this" or hoping for an expanded narrative and backstory?

I can't imagine anyone playing CE and wanting that part of it changed or expanded. There are a few duff moments, but these are largely due to the repetitive structure of the levels (the library) and the game (the fact the last three levels are almost reverse repeats of previous stages).

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Glowy69** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:35 pm

It gave me just enough to keep going, most of the time you were shooting stuff...so it wasn't top of my agenda. The start or mid mission though with updates I enjoyed. And still today the reveal of the flood? I loved it. :wub:

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