GRRR FEMINISM and stuff - New Video Released. Fade mad.

Venom wrote:

Brerlappins little hat wrote:You know she got pledged 150K to make this strawberry floating gooseberry fool? Shes just some feminazi nutcase, look at all her other videos, "Top 7 most sexist christmas songs", strawberry float off.

There's nothing wrong with her doing this stuff, the subject matter is noble, and critical discussion helps with those who want to call videogames art. However its not my bag for two reasons. The first is there is too much whinging (for my tastes), but that doesn't matter as some US universities are using the videos in feminism classes. The other thing is this does not make compelling viewing, it is not a TV programme, this is an essay with her reading it to the camera. I've watched the start of a few cheap American documentaries on Netflix and they are just drab..

This aint my bag but she is a astute and engaging (but not engaging enough to compel me to watch her talk for 24 minutes). She went on to Kickstarter and asked for $6000 and got $160,000! The videos editing is fine and if she did it herselfor got it done cheap then she must be dancing on the ceiling with all that money. Brilliant!

Bingo.

Don't see a problem with this

Anyway what about Metroid, Tomb Raider ummm Bayonetta

Anung wrote:I only watched this cause I thought she was hot.

Not that I mean to debate this serious debate about feminism, but seriously, would you?

Fade wrote:This is what bugs me about feminism. Women have far more freedom to do what they like than men do. If anything it's men that are constrained by stereotypes these days.

rudderless wrote:Fair play to the bitch, I say. That ho is representing all the chicks out there.

Some one should tell her Bowser isn't a man. IIRC, and its been a while since I last played a Mario game, but he's a huge Lizard Dragon Mutant fire breathing fuckboss.

But I'm guessing she sees most men this way maybe.

And doesn't Bowser want control of Mushroom kingdom? So it makes sence to capture her to gain control...

Did some just use scenarios from the hit TV show Friends as an example of sexism in modern society?

Did this happen?

Dig Dug wrote:

Cuttooth wrote:Huh. Never thought about how they changed up Dinosaur Planet to Starfox Adventures like that before.

Skarjo wrote:Maybe what's more important is that video games are still in their infancy when it comes to character development, regardless of gender.

I still find this a bit of a weird argument. How long have games been trying to tell some kind of story? Thirty years or so? I don't think the problem is the medium is still in some kind of infancy but that video games are deliberately kept somewhat infantile (on the whole) in how they portray certain things.

I agree it seems crazy she required $150,000 to do this though. It's not particularly ground breaking stuff.

I find it weird how it was such a large amount, most of these videos are done by the creators themselves, sponsors (web hosting, youtube ads) or fan donations, take AVGN for example, first it was just the one guy and his friends, then he got the gametrailers deal and along the way he got a lot of money from fan donations (which he said they didn't have to do but was thankful anyway), so in the years that's been going it has been a combination of all 3.

The type of money going into this is like the budget of a TV programme, do you really need television production values for a web series of a woman talking into a camera?

Well I'm sure if AVGN started up in the era of Kickstarter he could have been successfully funded that way too. Penny Arcade got a year's hosting funded through Kickstarter just to see if they could, there are a tonne of similar projects (some photography ones just make me think wtf) that get unnecessarily funded multiple times over their initial total off the back of publicity.

I just went to her Hunger Games vs The Book video on YouTube. In the related videos panel on the right there is a string of videos by women asking 'am I ugly' or 'why have I got no friends' or crying on camera. Google algorithms are the best in the world so this means something but what -that feminists feel insecure about their appearance?

kommissarboris wrote:Some one should tell her Bowser isn't a man. IIRC, and its been a while since I last played a Mario game, but he's a huge Lizard Dragon Mutant fire breathing fuckboss.

But I'm guessing she sees most men this way maybe.

And doesn't Bowser want control of Mushroom kingdom? So it makes sence to capture her to gain control...

Yeah, she doesn't mention that the ruler of the Mushroom Kingdom is a girl, does she!

Dual wrote:Did some just use scenarios from the hit TV show Friends as an example of sexism in modern society?

Did this happen?

Incredibly, yes.

Thought the video was way too long and her voice is too monotone.

Calling Double Dragon regressive crap.
Beat it.

Hexx wrote:

kommissarboris wrote:Some one should tell her Bowser isn't a man. IIRC, and its been a while since I last played a Mario game, but he's a huge Lizard Dragon Mutant fire breathing fuckboss.

But I'm guessing she sees most men this way maybe.

And doesn't Bowser want control of Mushroom kingdom? So it makes sence to capture her to gain control...

Yeah, she doesn't mention that the ruler of the Mushroom Kingdom is a girl, does she!

Probably because at this point it all seems irrelevant. What's she the ruler of really? She just sits in a castle and lives with some mushroom men, Princesm Toadstool/Peach has existed for nearly 30 years and she is far more shallow than a character like Princess Bubblegum from the childrens cartoon Adventure Time.

Rubix wrote:Anyway what about Metroid, Tomb Raider ummm Bayonetta

kommissarboris wrote:And doesn't Bowser want control of Mushroom kingdom? So it makes sence to capture her to gain control...

This is partly why I want to withhold judgement, but also why I'm concerned.

As a criticism of the Damsel in Distress trope, it's reasonably broad and fair, with some gaming-specific insights.

However, as a criticism of gaming it's limited and one sided, with notable omissions on both side of the debate.

I hope it is as it has stated to be; part of an extended and deeper exploration of gaming as a whole, and that this specifically focuses on Damsel in Distress as a common trope. If it is, there's evidence in here of genuine insight (the exploration of men in prisons and Zelda only being allowed to be powerful when she was emulating a man were both genuinely interesting and relevant). If, however, it's going to present certain cultural tropes as being solely predominantly gaming centric, with no reference to the obvious exceptions, then there's going to be trouble.

Not sure about that last video Venom, the girl was sexually abused and beat up as a child then bullied. Doesn't really match the two other videos

rudderless wrote:

Fade wrote:This is what bugs me about feminism. Women have far more freedom to do what they like than men do. If anything it's men that are constrained by stereotypes these days.

Dude. My girlfriends friend had her scholarship paid for her (she wants to be an engineer) because she's female.
I want to be an infant school teacher. Until a few years ago the only man working there was a caretaker.
There are now two more. But every other member of staff is a woman that's 2 male (formerly zero) teaching staff, to about 20 odd women.
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get my education paid for me. And why does a Engineer (who is going to earn bucketloads) need their student loans paid for them?

I'm not saying women aren't oppressed at all. Don't be silly. And men are fine as long as they stick within their expected parameters. To be fair, it's close minded men that are the problem really, for men and women.

Can't wait to see what she things of

Sex in God of War
Shower Scene in Heavy Rain
Bouncing Massive Boobs in Dead or Alive
Hookers in GTA

Bouncing massive boobs in DOA and GTA hookers probably won't feature heavily if she's got any sense. Firstly, because the DOA thing is so beyond ridiculous that it's virtually pointless on any meaningless exploration of video gender roles. Secondly, because the role of GTA protagonists as heroes and villains would require it's own kickstarter. I'm not sure talking about a protagonist who willingly murders the police force in terms of damaging gender roles would be helpful to her point.

For Heavy Rain, she'd be stupid not to explore it. It's commonly cited amongst the best of videogame storytelling, but still needs the female protagonist to perform a striptease at gunpoint.

I'm really interested to see her next video actually.

Most of that video focused on old games, and were very specific.

Mario games all are about saving a princess. Missing point that its a little platformer, misses point the Princess is top dog of mushroom kingdom, misses point Bowser isn't a man fighting for the effection of the princess. Thinks games like Mario have an adverse subconscious effect on men to save women. Really? she read that in an 8 bit game? strawberry float me.

Zelda games are all about saving a princess. Misses the point, no infact doesn't miss the point, makes referrence to the fact its one of the oldest stories mankind has, then gets sand in her vangina about it.

Double Dragon old school beat um up to save a girlfriend, but again its not a new game, Neon is a remake and so what, the girl gets punched and makes you want to save her, she makes no referrence to other beat um ups of the time, golden axe on the other hand lets you play as a warrior woman with the best strawberry floating magic going, or blaze in streets of rage who along with Axel is the only character available in all three. No lets not mention any of that, nothing about blaze along with Azel who set out to save Adam in a game out in the mid 90's, man in distress, nope, no strawberry floats are given about that.

Its far too easy to pick and choose. I could take Sex and the city and say that its sexist to men, one of the 4 main characters could have been a fella to show the male side of being in your mid 30's and finding love in NY, but instead men are just objects for our 4 female leads to strawberry float about with. Too easy to twist stuff like that.

Her referencing to Nintendo and Miyamoto deliberately doing this gooseberry fool. Miyamoto you chauvinist woman hating strawberry float. Lets not talk about your ground breaking Female lead Samus at all who could easily take on most of the male leads in video games back in the early days or even now, no lets not talk about that at all.

TL:DR - she's a mong, picking and choosing games to back up her very flimsy argument.

kommissarboris wrote:TL:DR - she's a mong, picking and choosing games to back up her very flimsy argument.

I can see there being a tonne of elephants during this series.

Dig Dug wrote:Thought the video was way too long and her voice is too monotone.

Calling Double Dragon regressive crap.
Beat it.

Hexx wrote:

kommissarboris wrote:Some one should tell her Bowser isn't a man. IIRC, and its been a while since I last played a Mario game, but he's a huge Lizard Dragon Mutant fire breathing fuckboss.

But I'm guessing she sees most men this way maybe.

And doesn't Bowser want control of Mushroom kingdom? So it makes sence to capture her to gain control...

Yeah, she doesn't mention that the ruler of the Mushroom Kingdom is a girl, does she!

Probably because at this point it all seems irrelevant. What's she the ruler of really? She just sits in a castle and lives with some mushroom men, Princesm Toadstool/Peach has existed for nearly 30 years and she is far more shallow than a character like Princess Bubblegum from the childrens cartoon Adventure Time.

Thats exactly what we need in a Mario game. A deep story about how taking the Princess away from mushroom kindgom effects the day to day running. How the legislative process is destroyed, economic damages, imigration and infrastuctural meltdown when shes taken. Then you get control Mario, an Italian plumber who runs about jumping on turtles and bad mushroom men while collecting coins out of floating bricks or consuming flowers to shoot fire out of his hands to save her so the government can get back to the primary role of running the kingdom.

Absurd.