#NewGamesJournalism: Lauren Wainwright sacked.

You know I have no feelings for or against Lauren, but she got to do that with Jarrett Mother strawberry floating Cale.

Shadow wrote:Silva has been great these last few pages, such fury flying through his fingertips. Could you imagine him as your lawyer? He's like Phoenix Wright crossed with the Incredible Hulk.

wtf.

Also why no more mafmod? Did the rest of the mod team not like reasonable behaviour? I mean look how strawberry floating long it took to demote the saddam hussein of grcade, and maf gets demodded within a day?

$ilva $hadow wrote:...Lauren Wainwrong...

Why didn't I think of that?

someone else already coined it, not mine

$ilva $hadow wrote:someone else already coined it, not mine

I imagine your bottom was pretty pucker pained when you saw it.

Winckle wrote:
$ilva $hadow wrote:someone else already coined it, not mine

I imagine your bottom was pretty pucker pained when you saw it.

dat alliteration :lol:

strawberry float off, seriously, I'm struggling to come up with original ones and you keep taking them. I'm pucker pained that I didn't think of pucker pained :lol:

Anung wrote:
$ilva $hadow wrote: I mean look how strawberry floating long it took to demote the saddam hussein of grcade

I have no idea who he's referring to. Seriously.

Gandalf at a guess. Melatonin at a stretch.

Melatonin is my favourite dictator.

Please. I'm clearly more of an Idi Amin.

Y'know the song

Everybody likes PeterCrisp
Except $ilva!

Sleighbell-atonin wrote:Please. I'm clearly more of an Idi Amin.

Steve's the Idi Admin of GRcade

grobber wrote:What’s fascinating about that Pocketgamer article is the selective blindness with which Keith Andrew chooses to frame the issue. In his narrative, the relationship between the games journalist and the PR representative is, in its entirety, one of a heroic hack and a trusted source meeting in a dingy pub over a couple of drinks to discuss the latest big important scoop. He deflates the terms of the discussion, and deflates them, and deflates them, until he can present an argument that appears at first glance to be reasonable.

It wasn't about deflating the issue - it was about illustrating how the knee-jerk rules sites aplenty at the time were publishing (which was a PR exercise in itself) didn't actually relate to the original problem, and would actually impact on some of the legitimate ways game journalism operates.

Someone's been googling their own name :slol:

All these game reviewers were shitting on their own doorstep, expecting me to knock on their door and ask for their opinion. I mean you could practically see microsoft or ea representatives inside their house through the open curtains, exchanging doritos and mountain dew tasting cash for better reviews.

The funniest thing is after the whole doritogate debacle, no big blockbuster game was getting rave reviews across the board any more. It's coming back, the rot and corruption is wayyy to engrained to get rid of, but at least I can say "I strawberry floating told you so" to the mountains of retards on this forum that were ready to shell out for gooseberry fool games and then deny how bad they were because buyers remorse was too much of a shame to admit.

Even now, any reviewer involved with blockbuster games will still give a shot blockbuster game better reviews than it deserves. Before Doritosgate, Diablo 3 got rave reviews across the board and there wasn't an outcry about always on drm ruining the game, but now, post doritos, you have Sim City 5 an always online game, actually being criticised by reviewers other than RPS.

It's amazing how deluded these reviewers really are. They're in an industry where bad reviews mean they get their access cut off, and they think we don't know that, so they carry on throwing out amazing reviews for the mountain dew as if we can't smell that bullshit.

I haven't read the pocketgamer article, and keefandrew hasn't posted a link or a source, probably because it's chock full of trying to downplay the entire situation, but the fact that he's coming onto grcade to defend himself is weird, after all this time. I can only imagine he was one of the irresponsible scumbags who thought he was reviewing for the passion of it all, when really he was giving out rave reviews and defending the 'review' industry for malpractices because it's his career, his job, not a passion or a hobby, but something that brings in the money. I'm sorry for anyone who has to be in the 'review' business for money, but I don't trust anyone that isn't reviewing for a passion. That's why I read Brers blog and fanblogs, the dedicated fans and people at RPS are the few shining beacons of progress and honesty. Anyone coming out now to defend doritosgate is and was probably involved in paid for reviews and just can't bring themselves to admit it.

Tomous wrote:Someone's been googling their own name

Nope. I replied in this thread at the time, back in November, but it apparently got lost or overlooked during the rush.

$ilva $hadow wrote:A lot of stuff about reviews, including how good RPS is

I pretty much only go to RPS for game reviews, possibly with PCGamer as a second opinion, and to gametrailers if I want to see a game in motion. That and Zero Punctuation for a laugh. The think I like about RPS is their review don't have an arbitrary score at the end; their review pieces require reading and digesting of thought and opinion to understand, rather than simply slapping a number down and adding words.

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$ilva $hadow wrote:I haven't read the pocketgamer article, and keefandrew hasn't posted a link or a source, probably because it's chock full of trying to downplay the entire situation, but the fact that he's coming onto grcade to defend himself is weird, after all this time. I can only imagine he was one of the irresponsible scumbags who thought he was reviewing for the passion of it all, when really he was giving out rave reviews and defending the 'review' industry for malpractices because it's his career, his job, not a passion or a hobby, but something that brings in the money. I'm sorry for anyone who has to be in the 'review' business for money, but I don't trust anyone that isn't reviewing for a passion. That's why I read Brers blog and fanblogs, the dedicated fans and people at RPS are the few shining beacons of progress and honesty. Anyone coming out now to defend doritosgate is and was probably involved in paid for reviews and just can't bring themselves to admit it.

Oh lord. No. No to pretty much all of that.

Here's the piece from the time, originally linked to in this thread, if you actually want a read - http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/Poc ... sp?c=46231

I don't actually review games any more - haven't since the end of 2011. I work on a B2B site now. I'd also be wary of reading all too many reviews by folk doing it for free (though it's worth noting that many of those who work for well regarded sites without charge do so because they're paid healthily elsewhere) - there are a few good amateur sites out there, but most aren't especially well written in truth.

It's also worth pointing out that reviews - or being a critic, if you like - is only one small part of what games journalism (or TV, music or film journalism for that matter) is. You mustn't think that all that many people make their entire living from doing reviews - reviews do not pay well, in general. It's only one cog in a series of many, many wheels.

a what site?

Business-to-business.

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