#NewGamesJournalism: Lauren Wainwright sacked.

TheTurnipKing wrote:
Harry Bizzle wrote:Where's D-pad dave or whoever the hell works with her when you need him?

Staying well the hell out of it, if he's got any sense.

I seem to remember him defending Driv3r back in the day.

Harry Bizzle wrote:Where's D-pad dave or whoever the hell works with her when you need him?

Doesn't he go out with her?

I think he needs to think about where his allegiances lie and get on here and stir things up.

This is his shot at the big time. I want to hear about how she screamed at him for banging black girls on the train and slapped him in the nob.

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If LW is removing information from the internet it makes me wonder about her motives wanting to remove information that is in the public domain.

The Journalisted listing has had Square Enix removed.
http://journalisted.com/lauren-wainwright#tab-bio

Was she employed by Square-Enix whilst writing reviews of Square-Enix products?

Venom wrote:If LW is removing information from the internet it makes me wonder about her motives wanting to remove information that is in the public domain.

The Journalisted listing has had Square Enix removed.
http://journalisted.com/lauren-wainwright#tab-bio

Was she employed by Square-Enix whilst writing reviews of Square-Enix products?

Keep up Venom, I posted that yonks ago. This is a fast paced, hard hitting thread!

But no one knows for sure if she was employed and still writing reviews for SE but it very much looks like it was that way.

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Floex wrote:Keep up Venom, I posted that yonks ago. This is a fast paced, hard hitting thread!

But no one knows for sure if she was employed and still writing reviews for SE but it very much looks like it was that way.

No. I have been following!

But couldn't remember if it was conjecture or fact. In light of her Sun review the dates she went to Square Enix events and posted Square-Enix tweets are relevant.

Man I don't even know why people are discussing how journalists should be paid, and I'll say it now, I don't give a strawberry float if journalists are getting all chummy with the developers, I can recognise that this kind of relationship can affect reviews. I don't give a crap about their relationship with the PR folks as long as it doesn't affect their work. Now here is where I have a gripe, because it actually does affect their work. When I can blatantly see hype and PR bullshit coming through their work, I shut off, stop reading and pirate the game to try it out, instead of relying on their 'journalism'.

Funny thing is all the good articles and journalism is out on the Internet for free. Hell if you log into mumble at night when winkle and co are on, you'll have some of the best articles and journalism handed to you on a plate and a small discussion to boot.

Moral of the story is pretty much that you should always pirate your games before paying for them.

That's literally what the games industry is encouraging me to do.

Venom wrote:If LW is removing information from the internet it makes me wonder about her motives wanting to remove information that is in the public domain.

The Journalisted listing has had Square Enix removed.
http://journalisted.com/lauren-wainwright#tab-bio

Was she employed by Square-Enix whilst writing reviews of Square-Enix products?

Not quite. She consulted for Square-Enix on a product she didn't review. I'm not making a judgment on that, just stating the facts.

$ilva $hadow wrote:Moral of the story is pretty much that you should always pirate your games before paying for them.

That's literally what the games industry is encouraging me to do.

At the end of the day though people who are in the business hate it video games is a very "want it, take it" culture. If we really want a game we will get the games through the means that suit us best whether that be by buying new, buying pre-owned, steam, downloading it for free, renting it, borrowing it or other.

Yeah let them hate it, that's what they deserve for lying and not trying to build trust.

You know what the devs for Miami hotline just did? They went onto Piratebay and posted they were the developers and they'd like to help any pirates that come across any bugs. Do you know how insane that sounds? Instead of treating potential customers like dirt, they actually went out of their way to treat them like human beings and it has been reported that they had a generous sales spike because of it. Contrast that to the big publishers who won't even give you a demo or a refund for their gooseberry fool games, and force DRM onto you, as well as paying as many people to lie to the public for them.

Skippy, please can you summarise for us the ethics component of your journalism degree? I presume there was some time spent on this subject. Since Lauren also did a journalism degree, this summary would tell us what she likely was/wasn't aware of and therefore give us some perspective on just how much she should have known what she was doing.

rudderless wrote:
Venom wrote:If LW is removing information from the internet it makes me wonder about her motives wanting to remove information that is in the public domain.

The Journalisted listing has had Square Enix removed.
http://journalisted.com/lauren-wainwright#tab-bio

Was she employed by Square-Enix whilst writing reviews of Square-Enix products?

Not quite. She consulted for Square-Enix on a product she didn't review. I'm not making a judgment on that, just stating the facts.

Still, I doubt she would be in a job for long if she said that squares games were gooseberry fool, even the ones she wasn't consulting on.

rudderless wrote:
Venom wrote:If LW is removing information from the internet it makes me wonder about her motives wanting to remove information that is in the public domain.

The Journalisted listing has had Square Enix removed.
http://journalisted.com/lauren-wainwright#tab-bio

Was she employed by Square-Enix whilst writing reviews of Square-Enix products?

Not quite. She consulted for Square-Enix on a product she didn't review. I'm not making a judgment on that, just stating the facts.

Incorrect.

She stated that she had done consulting work for them, had them listed as one of her current employers, and said she had never reviewed any of their products. The last is lie.

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TheTurnipKing wrote:
Harry Bizzle wrote:Where's D-pad dave or whoever the hell works with her when you need him?

Staying well the hell out of it, if he's got any sense.

Hime wrote:What I mean is if the independent site thinks a mainstream game is good, will they have to mark it down for fear of allegations of a paid review?

Basically you have the potential for the same problem, just from the opposite point of view.

O please, it's just so obvious when they're not being genuine. If they genuinely think the gooseberry fool game is good, then it will affect their credibility and show through their consistency, but when you've got games like New Vegas not getting high 9s and being criticised to strawberry float, whereas fallout 3 has high 9's and 10's, with barely any criticism, it's easy to see what really is going on.

Consistency is key, and it's what catches them all out.

Stop bringing up the buggy tripe that was New Vegas.

Even without the game-ruining bugs, the game isn't anything special.

$ilva $hadow wrote:
Hime wrote:What I mean is if the independent site thinks a mainstream game is good, will they have to mark it down for fear of allegations of a paid review?

Basically you have the potential for the same problem, just from the opposite point of view.

O please, it's just so obvious when they're not being genuine. If they genuinely think the gooseberry fool game is good, then it will affect their credibility and show through their consistency, but when you've got games like New Vegas not getting high 9s and being criticised to strawberry float, whereas fallout 3 has high 9's and 10's, with barely any criticism, it's easy to see what really is going on.

Consistency is key, and it's what catches them all out.

But Fallout 3 was by Blethesda which the gaming media, particularly in the US, have a strawberry floating giant boner for for some bizarre reason.

I'm inclined to think Fallout 3 got a bit of a free pass because it was quite original and bloody amazing at the time, where as New Vegas was technically bigger and better but you can forgive people for wondering why an engine which had already seen one release was still so buggy.

Was going to post my opinion on this matter but I don't have a degree in journalism or employment experience with Yahoo!

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