#NewGamesJournalism: Lauren Wainwright sacked.

Skarjo wrote:I don't think Staydead read that post.

I did.

Skippy wrote:You claimed I knew strawberry float all about journalism so I proved you wrong, that's what happened. I'm not an insider or any of that bollocks, I just know more about how it works than the majority in here who fall on the consumer side.

Anyway, as I said on the other page, this isn't a "debate" worth contributing too any more. So I'm not going to.

In before someone says I'm bailing out of this thread because I'm "losing" or some twaddle

Edit: Staydead, he was saying that I was the one thinking people were plebs.

Before you go, answer me exactly how you think that this doesn't constitute a conflict of interest.

PR is concerned with widespread dissemination of positive information about the product. The journalists are there to give honest, objective opinion.

How do you reconcile the situation of the people who only want good information released being the people who pay the wages of the people who are supposed to be honest, open and frank as not being a conflict of interest for the consumer?

The thread that keeps on giving.

Ginga

Skippy wrote:You claimed I knew strawberry float all about journalism so I proved you wrong, that's what happened. I'm not an insider or any of that bollocks, I just know more about how it works than the majority in here who fall on the consumer side.

Anyway, as I said on the other page, this isn't a "debate" worth contributing too any more. So I'm not going to.

In before someone says I'm bailing out of this thread because I'm "losing" or some twaddle

Edit: Staydead, he was saying that I was the one thinking people were plebs.

You got a degree then got a job at Yahoo. So that makes you a journalist? It sounds like you know how it works but have no idea why it's wrong. If you want to get really nippy about this then we can but don't start posting laughter as a response and get a chip on your shoulder when you're called out for posting condescending nonsense. This is massively important but your attitude is baffling for someone that makes his bread in the industry.

Seriously, if this isn't worth contributing to or learning from then what is?

How can games journalism move on from here then? If we don't trust sites and magazines that are sponsored by the very product they are supposed to critique but the current situation seems them utterly reliant on this Income, how does games journalism move forward?

Of course some people will happily pay for content but I'd argue it will be a minority of gamers that would make it very difficult for people to make a living at it.

Ginga wrote:You got a degree then got a job at Yahoo. So that makes you a journalist? It sounds like you know how it works but have no idea why it's wrong. If you want to get really nippy about this then we can but don't start posting laughter as a response and get a chip on your shoulder when you're called out for posting condescending nonsense. This is massively important but your attitude is baffling for someone that makes his bread in the industry.

Seriously, if this isn't worth contributing to or learning from then what is?

There is so much for journos to learn from this whole mess. About where line lies when working with PRs and about how to conduct themselves.

It is worth discussion, just not here. At this point it's a discussion for people who can actually do something about it, otherwise nothing is achieved.

And I never said the system was perfect, I was just explaining how it works because it seemed like some people didn't know.

Mafro wrote:Ginga

QFT.

Hime wrote:How can games journalism move on from here then? If we don't trust sites and magazines that are sponsored by the very product they are supposed to critique but the current situation seems them utterly reliant on this Income, how does games journalism move forward?

Of course some people will happily pay for content but I'd argue it will be a minority of gamers that would make it very difficult for people to make a living at it.

They could find other sources of advertising, but they wouldn't be anywhere near as effective and therefore wouldn't pay anywhere near as much.

Why isn't Skarj a writer? There's no-one on this forum whose prose is more pleasant to read.

Shadow wrote:Why isn't Skarj a writer? There's no-one on this forum whose prose is more pleasant to read.

I'll have to take your word on that. I just see a block of text and a neon sign which says "DULL" goes off inside my head and I keep scrolling.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Hime wrote:How can games journalism move on from here then? If we don't trust sites and magazines that are sponsored by the very product they are supposed to critique but the current situation seems them utterly reliant on this Income, how does games journalism move forward?

Of course some people will happily pay for content but I'd argue it will be a minority of gamers that would make it very difficult for people to make a living at it.

They could find other sources of advertising, but they wouldn't be anywhere near as effective and therefore wouldn't pay anywhere near as much.

So it would be unsustainable?

Harry Bizzle wrote:

Shadow wrote:Why isn't Skarj a writer? There's no-one on this forum whose prose is more pleasant to read.

I'll have to take your word on that. I just see a block of text and a neon sign which says "DULL" goes off inside my head and I keep scrolling.

I suggest you don't read the book I'm writing then.

*Smug*

Alright, Eighthours?

Mafro wrote:Alright, Eighthours?

He's my proofreader.

Which means we can no longer be friends because it would be a conflict of interest and render the whole thing a circle-jerk of protectionist back-slapping.

Obvs.

Skippy wrote:There is so much for journos to learn from this whole mess. About where line lies when working with PRs and about how to conduct themselves.

It is worth discussion, just not here. At this point it's a discussion for people who can actually do something about it, otherwise nothing is achieved.

I feel like I've missed something here, but isn't this the perfect thread to discuss this in?

Banjo wrote:

Skippy wrote:There is so much for journos to learn from this whole mess. About where line lies when working with PRs and about how to conduct themselves.

It is worth discussion, just not here. At this point it's a discussion for people who can actually do something about it, otherwise nothing is achieved.

I feel like I've missed something here, but isn't this the perfect thread to discuss this in?

We're not allowed to because we're not journalists.

Hime wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Hime wrote:How can games journalism move on from here then? If we don't trust sites and magazines that are sponsored by the very product they are supposed to critique but the current situation seems them utterly reliant on this Income, how does games journalism move forward?

Of course some people will happily pay for content but I'd argue it will be a minority of gamers that would make it very difficult for people to make a living at it.

They could find other sources of advertising, but they wouldn't be anywhere near as effective and therefore wouldn't pay anywhere near as much.

So it would be unsustainable?

Maybe not unsustainable, but certainly very difficult. Sites may have to cut down on staffing levels, for example. Of course, being completely independent from PR means obtaining review copies becomes very difficult, too.

In an ideal world IGN would be sponsored by Andrex and Sheilas Wheels.