Channel 4 Dispatches Special: Russell Brand

The 'innocent until proven guilty' thing is one of many that has been distorted and used dishonestly.

No, we're not saying he should be locked up without a trial. But it is entirely reasonable to analyse the evidence available to us all right now and draw our own personal conclusions.

Edit - Ecno beats me to the punch, as usual!

Tomous wrote:I feel like as a society we've really not addressed how much covid and the pandemic broke some people's brains.

It feels like the more and more we ignore it, the worse it will get.

I think we maybe give too much weight to what we see on social media. I'd like to think that is a distillation of society's dregs and the vast majority of people aren't like that. I have to think that otherwise I wake the whole house up screaming about how strawberry floated we are as a species.

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Tomous wrote:Come on Mommy, at least look into the allegations and what's been reported before making such poorly considered comments on a serious issue.

I saw the allegations but I also saw the allegations against Benjamin Mendy who spent the thick end of 2 years in prison and walked free at the end of it all. I think similarly in that case there was all sorts of sordidness alleged, with one of the victims being 17 (the media align youth with innocence to portray the perpetrator as a deviant).
How have these victims all come together at the same time? A lucky coincidence?

I'm very sceptical of this sort of thing. If he's done wrong, hang him high but I'm sure in the UK it's innocent until proven guilty, isn't it?

The victims have come forward over the course of the four-year investigation. Cases of sexual assault are infamously difficult to prove, which is one of the reasons predators have gotten away with it for so long, and why women can sometimes struggle to bring them to light.

Don't go down this path, please .

No, I'm not going down any path, just a sceptic as I said.

What are your views on Jimmy Savile's guilt/innocence?

What's he got to do with this?

He was never found guilty in court and you stated the "innocent until proven guilty" phrase. You also brought up the unrelated case of Benjamin Mendy.

So what are your thoughts on Savile's guilt/innocence?

Savile was never tried though, was he?

No, which is why I asked whether you think he was guilty or innocent.

I don't know why you are asking about Savile in something unrelated but Savile was able to silence the papers with the threat of libel. There were people in the BBC and in Government who were happy to turn a blind eye to his behaviour.
Looking back at interviews now that were downright creepy even in the 80s, he should have been imprisoned a long long time ago. Evil to the core. The problem with the 70s/80s was that it was very liberal in what went on in broadcasting, which meant that there was a huge jump before things were seen as beyond acceptable.
It's embarrassing to look back at some of the media from then.
Savile was guilty as sin, to clarify.

You brought up Mendy. But it's not ok to bring up Savile?

Almost everything you wrote about Savile also applies to Brand btw.

Possibly but innocent until proven guilty.

In the eyes of the law..... You can make your own mind on something i.e Russel Brand is a bad man. Without something having to go through criminal proceedings.

I agree totally. He's very full of himself and an opportunist womaniser.

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This was the part in the Times story where they had him bang to rights imo, especially since they mentioned that numerous sources had confirmed the texts came from his US phone number.

Elon Musk, Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan Tate, Tucker Carlson, Laurence Fox, Tommy Robinson, Alex Jones, and Michael Barrymore have now all defended Brand.

Proper gaggle of banana splits that.

Shouldn't this information have come to light earlier? Someone mentioned a 4 year investigation - Surely if there is evidence you drag him in there and then?

Tommy Robinson is still floating about?

"Why didn't these lying bitches come forward earlier"

Mommy wrote:Shouldn't this information have come to light earlier? Someone mentioned a 4 year investigation - Surely if there is evidence you drag him in there and then?

With the way British libel laws work, any investigations by newspapers/TV like this take a very long time as they want them to be as watertight as possible.

A lawyer who represents victims of sexual assault says the women who have complained about Russell Brand may have only just realised they're not the only ones - and they now need to consider where they want this to end.

Alan Collins has acted for victims of Jimmy Savile and former football commentator Stuart Hall. He said that when he first meets complainants, they often haven't considered where they want to end up.

"I go through the options, starting with whether they have been to the police.

"Do they want to bring their own case or would they rather be a witness for the prosecution [in a criminal trial]?

"I ask them, 'what do you want to achieve?'"

Many victims are attracted to starting their own claim for damages against an alleged abuser because it means they're in control - the case belongs to them, not the Crown Prosecution Service.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-66835997

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Mommy wrote:Shouldn't this information have come to light earlier? Someone mentioned a 4 year investigation - Surely if there is evidence you drag him in there and then?

With the way British libel laws work, any investigations by newspapers/TV like this take a very long time as they want them to be as watertight as possible.

Yep, there are undoubtedly other allegations that they couldn't disclose for that very reason.

Hexx wrote:"Why didn't these lying bitches sluts come forward earlier"

FTFY – remember, it isn't true, but if it is then they were asking for it!

"Brand asked her over - what did she think was going to happen?!!"

It's her own fault she was born, wouldn't have happened otherwise

Mommy wrote:Shouldn't this information have come to light earlier? Someone mentioned a 4 year investigation - Surely if there is evidence you drag him in there and then?

It could be a number of things, dealing with the women impacted and their reluctance to be involved in it, to even more basic stuff like prioritising work that keeps the money coming in for the investigator (from what I understand, there is a reluctance with media outlets to finance journalists for more time consuming/complicated stories like this). Also libel laws.

Seeing a video earlier today showed why many don't bother with the police.

Waited 6 hours for the cop in question to essentially be ready to arrest their 11 year old for taking images of a sexual nature of themselves (I.e. being manipulated into doing so) for an adult.

How the dad didn't go absolutely mental at them astounds me. Until I realise he would've been arrested or shot in self defence.

Think about how long these people fake their lives whilst simultaneously abusing others. 4 years worth of work and it's STILL assumed as a media smear campaign? Imagine if they'd only come out with a month's worth of work? It's why the police don't really approve of those vigilante peado groups as they usually get involved in the middle of a long job and potentially ruin the case in some way.

Brand is another rich scumbag who'll be defended to the hilt by other scumbags rich and poor alike. Because he has "similar views" that he promotes openly and again, looking at his history of 'comedy' often openly admitted he was a scumbag.

67,169 rapes were recorded by police in 2022.

By the end of the year, charges had been brought in just 1,276 (1.9%) of these cases. This means that less than 2 in 100 rapes recorded by police in 2022 resulted in a charge that same year, let alone a conviction.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/ ... -violence/

And that's recorded rapes, we obviously have no idea at all how many take place and are never reported (or recorded by the police).



It's a mystery why some victims speak to the media rather than the police.

Proof that all of this is just a covid vaccine coverup by pharmaceutical companies who paid Katherine Ryan to smear Russell Brand YEARS before the Chinese CCP Party infected Bully XL dogs with coronavirus to destroy the west with 5g vaccines.

Looks like she did it on 3 separate occasions but none of them made the final edit.

Good on her.