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Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:56 am
by Garth
Think this is the 5th delay to implementing Brexit border checks over the last few years:
Post-Brexit UK border food checks delayed again on inflation fears
Planned regime already put back several times and now government and business balk at impact of red tape on prices

UK ministers are set to announce a further delay to post-Brexit border controls on animal and plant products coming from the EU, amid fears that extra bureaucracy on imported goods will fuel inflation.

The decision to delay the new import regime at Britain’s ports, which had been due to start in October, is also intended to give companies and port operators yet more time to implement the arrangements.

The news comes ahead of a meeting of the Bank of England’s monetary policy committee on Thursday, which is wrestling with persistently high inflation.

There have been repeated delays to the introduction of a post-Brexit border control regime for goods entering the UK from the EU. British exports to the EU are already subject to full checks.

Ministers announced as recently as April that a new “border target operating model” would start to be rolled out from October 31 with a full regime in place by October 2024.

But government insiders have told the Financial Times that while final details of the border plan would be published “very soon”, its implementation on the ground would be pushed back.

“The driving force behind this is the need to bear down on inflation, that’s why there will be a delay,” said one government insider briefed on the plan. “There will be additional costs at the border.”

A new timetable has not yet been signed off by ministers, but the start of the new regime is expected to slip into next year.

https://www.ft.com/content/d0673acb-eb8 ... 9be5ab14c3

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:47 pm
by Photek
Weird because the EU check food being exported by the UK....

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:51 pm
by Octoroc
Photek wrote:Weird because the EU check food being exported by the UK....


We're punishing the EU by treating their imports with nonchalance.

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:02 pm
by Rex Kramer
Photek wrote:Weird because the EU check food being exported by the UK....

We're too busy holding all the cards to bother with such trifles (or other dairy and sponge based puddings).

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:05 pm
by Lex-Man
It's funny because they've built massive processing centres to hold all the goods while they're being checked and they aren't even being used.

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:19 pm
by Rex Kramer
Yeah but they gave the contract to the bloke who runs David Frost's local and he's never laid a brick in his life.

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:30 pm
by Vermilion
aayl1 wrote:Yeah the US Media was slightly up in arms about this.

It's the same as an ESTA, costs half as much and lasts 50% longer (3 years).

No big deal.


Yeah, the ETIAS system should be fairly straightforward when it's introduced.

My concern though is the proposed biometric details being taken at the ports, mainly because of the queues and delays that will create, especially considering (as i said in my last post here) what an absolute shitshow Dover port is.

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 3:41 pm
by DML
Vermilion wrote:
aayl1 wrote:Yeah the US Media was slightly up in arms about this.

It's the same as an ESTA, costs half as much and lasts 50% longer (3 years).

No big deal.


Yeah, the ETIAS system should be fairly straightforward when it's introduced.

My concern though is the proposed biometric details being taken at the ports, mainly because of the queues and delays that will create, especially considering (as i said in my last post here) what an absolute shitshow Dover port is.


Strange how it worked before Brexit though huh. What Dover is being asked to do is nigh on impossible to do well.

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:16 pm
by poshrule_uk
Someone clearly didn't believe hard enough

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:55 pm
by Photek
Vermilion wrote:
aayl1 wrote:Yeah the US Media was slightly up in arms about this.

It's the same as an ESTA, costs half as much and lasts 50% longer (3 years).

No big deal.


Yeah, the ETIAS system should be fairly straightforward when it's introduced.

My concern though is the proposed biometric details being taken at the ports, mainly because of the queues and delays that will create, especially considering (as i said in my last post here) what an absolute shitshow Dover port is.


We need to know what kind of Forrinns we letting in! ;)

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:59 pm
by Vermilion
DML wrote:
Vermilion wrote:
aayl1 wrote:Yeah the US Media was slightly up in arms about this.

It's the same as an ESTA, costs half as much and lasts 50% longer (3 years).

No big deal.


Yeah, the ETIAS system should be fairly straightforward when it's introduced.

My concern though is the proposed biometric details being taken at the ports, mainly because of the queues and delays that will create, especially considering (as i said in my last post here) what an absolute shitshow Dover port is.


Strange how it worked before Brexit though huh. What Dover is being asked to do is nigh on impossible to do well.


Yes, but they might have been able to do a better job had there actually been some investment in the place. In comparison, Calais port has had a ton of money thrown at it, and it shows!

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:59 pm
by DML
Vermilion wrote:
DML wrote:
Vermilion wrote:
aayl1 wrote:Yeah the US Media was slightly up in arms about this.

It's the same as an ESTA, costs half as much and lasts 50% longer (3 years).

No big deal.


Yeah, the ETIAS system should be fairly straightforward when it's introduced.

My concern though is the proposed biometric details being taken at the ports, mainly because of the queues and delays that will create, especially considering (as i said in my last post here) what an absolute shitshow Dover port is.


Strange how it worked before Brexit though huh. What Dover is being asked to do is nigh on impossible to do well.


Yes, but they might have been able to do a better job had there actually been some investment in the place. In comparison, Calais port has had a ton of money thrown at it, and it shows!


I wonder how else Calais also differs from Dover...

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:51 pm
by Photek
I presume Calais is still suffering, compared to Cherbourg, who Ireland is now more or less using to bypass the UK to the EU entirely when it comes to most trade but we are only a country of 5.5m. The amount of people wanting to come to Calais and the trade would be insane.

I’m impressed how fast we reacted to Brexit actually, we’ve almost entirely circumnavigated the UK in record speed. Brexit hit us, but far less than it could have.

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:40 pm
by Garth

twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1727632925208756632


Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:20 am
by Squinty
Photek wrote:I presume Calais is still suffering, compared to Cherbourg, who Ireland is now more or less using to bypass the UK to the EU entirely when it comes to most trade but we are only a country of 5.5m. The amount of people wanting to come to Calais and the trade would be insane.

I’m impressed how fast we reacted to Brexit actually, we’ve almost entirely circumnavigated the UK in record speed. Brexit hit us, but far less than it could have.


Actual clever people in charge.

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:24 am
by Victor Mildew
Garth wrote:

twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1727632925208756632



:lol:

I saw some posh tory voting banana splits on the BBC yesterday all.sat around a table in a tea room, and one of them scoffed, "well my idea for brexit was to stick a giant Cork in the channel tunnel and be done with it, but here we are".

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:53 am
by jimbojango
Victor Mildew wrote:
Garth wrote:

twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1727632925208756632



:lol:

I saw some posh tory voting banana splits on the BBC yesterday all.sat around a table in a tea room, and one of them scoffed, "well my idea for brexit was to stick a giant Cork in the channel tunnel and be done with it, but here we are".


I read that as “giant cock” first time, which would also check out for the Conservatives.

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:17 am
by Lex-Man
Isn't there an argument that immigration is really high because a lot of people left after Brexit and the pandemic?

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:30 am
by Herdanos
That's emigration

Re: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:06 pm
by poshrule_uk
Victor Mildew wrote:
Garth wrote:

twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1727632925208756632



:lol:

I saw some posh tory voting banana splits on the BBC yesterday all.sat around a table in a tea room, and one of them scoffed, "well my idea for brexit was to stick a giant Cork in the channel tunnel and be done with it, but here we are".


I saw that, he was infuriating. I'm sure he won't complain when he can't get a doctor hospital appointment.

Also the immigrant saying they don't want anymore over :fp: