Are You A Gangster 2: A New Menace - Day 3 - Jessica Fletcher Executed

Nancy Drew wrote:and will investigate Dick tonight

I bet you will #filth

Kouichi Zenigata wrote:

Dick Tracy wrote:Hi

As I said earlier, I can protect a player from being injured. The PM makes the point that I don't prevent them from being attacked, but I get there in time to make sure they don't die, along with the usual "can't use it on yourself or the same person twice in a row" caveats.

So I guess I wouldn't be able to identify who did the killing, but maybe the victim might be able to give us some hints as to who had attacked them.

Thomas Magnum wrote:Updated as per the Chief's advice...

Town Support
Escort - Clouseau (confirmed) BLOCKS A PLAYER FROM CARRYING OUT THEIR NIGHT ACTIONS.
Mayor - Magnum (confirmed)

Mafia Support
Consort - Frank (confirmed)

Town Protective
Doctor - Dick (claimed) PREVENTS DEATH FROM AN ATTACK.

Neutral Benign
Town Killing
Jailor - Kouichi Zenigata (confirmed) CAN JAIL A PLAYER AND THEN KILL THEM. JAILED PLAYER MAY KILL JAILOR ON RELEASE FROM JAIL IF THEY'RE A NEUTRAL ROLE.
Veteran - Shinichi Kudo (claimed) CAN GO ON ALERT TO PROTECT SELF.

Mafia Killing
Mafia Deception
Neutral Killing
Town Investigative
Lookout - Poirot (claimed)
Investigator - Nancy (claimed) ESSENTIALLY A SEER.

Neutral Chaos
Neutral Evil

I'm presuming Magnum PI has got his facts right here, and I've added the mechanic claims in, in CAPS.

Because we know the ordering, we can work together here.

It looks almost certain at this point that Poirot is our lynch victim today. That leaves us with eight players.

Jane and Jessica haven't role claimed whereas the other six players have. So because we know where their roles fit in the turn order, we can basically identify if any are lying, because we'll know that they were unable to carry out their claimed roles.

Here's what I think we should do, then...

Jacques blocks Jessica. Jessica unable to act tonight if she has a role.
Magnum doesn't have a night role.
Frank is dead.
Dick protects Nancy. If Nancy is telling the truth then her power is too valuable to lose.
If there's a Neutral Benign they go next (I'm unsure what impact this would have?)
Shinichi and I go next. As there's no Killing role before us in the turn order, I believe we're safe. Shinichi goes on alert to keep himself safe.
I jail Jane. Now both players who've not role claimed are, essentially, blocked.
Mafia Killing, Mafia Deception and Neutral Killing go next, in that order. However - all remaining players are accounted for, either by role claim or role block. So if any of these three roles do act tonight, it means someone is lying (and hopefully the absence of their promised action means we will be able to see who).
Nancy can then investigate freely. She's already committed to investigate Dick, which seems as good a move as any. The main thing would be for Nancy to share her results with the thread, so they can be corroborated (unless there are two remaining Mafia, the only faction with more than one member remaining is the town).
Finally the Neutral Chaos and Neutral Evil roles move - but again, they should only be able to do so if a role-claimer is lying.

If we all do this and there are no night kills, it suggests everyone who has role claimed so far is legit, with one or both of Jessica and Jane the remaining villains (presuming Hercule flips Mafia).

I then have the option of killing Jane, or letting her leave - if we think she is Mafia we can lynch her tomorrow; if she is Neutral you'll know because I'll be dead. (Which is fine, because I'll still win if we all do).

From there the game seems unlosable - because if any of this doesn't go down as outlined above, yet all parties commit to it, it should be possible to identify exactly who failed to carry out their stated action.

Kouichi Zenigata wrote:

Thomas Magnum wrote:Updated as per the Chief's advice...

Town Support
Escort - Clouseau (confirmed) BLOCKS A PLAYER FROM CARRYING OUT THEIR NIGHT ACTIONS.
Mayor - Magnum (confirmed)

Mafia Support
Consort - Frank (confirmed)

Town Protective
Doctor - Dick (claimed) PREVENTS DEATH FROM AN ATTACK.

Neutral Benign
Town Killing
Jailor - Kouichi Zenigata (confirmed) CAN JAIL A PLAYER AND THEN KILL THEM. JAILED PLAYER MAY KILL JAILOR ON RELEASE FROM JAIL IF THEY'RE A NEUTRAL ROLE.
Veteran - Shinichi Kudo (claimed) CAN GO ON ALERT TO PROTECT SELF.

Mafia Killing
Mafia Deception
Neutral Killing
Town Investigative
Lookout - Poirot (claimed)
Investigator - Nancy (claimed) ESSENTIALLY A SEER.

Neutral Chaos
Neutral Evil

I'm presuming Magnum PI has got his facts right here, and I've added the mechanic claims in, in CAPS.

Because we know the ordering, we can work together here.

It looks almost certain at this point that Poirot is our lynch victim today. That leaves us with eight players.

Jane and Jessica haven't role claimed whereas the other six players have. So because we know where their roles fit in the turn order, we can basically identify if any are lying, because we'll know that they were unable to carry out their claimed roles.

Here's what I think we should do, then...

Jacques blocks Jessica. Jessica unable to act tonight if she has a role.
Magnum doesn't have a night role.
Frank is dead.
Dick protects Nancy. If Nancy is telling the truth then her power is too valuable to lose.
If there's a Neutral Benign they go next (I'm unsure what impact this would have?)
Shinichi and I go next. As there's no Killing role before us in the turn order, I believe we're safe. Shinichi goes on alert to keep himself safe.
I jail Jane. Now both players who've not role claimed are, essentially, blocked.
Mafia Killing, Mafia Deception and Neutral Killing go next, in that order. However - all remaining players are accounted for, either by role claim or role block. So if any of these three roles do act tonight, it means someone is lying (and hopefully the absence of their promised action means we will be able to see who).
Nancy can then investigate freely. She's already committed to investigate Dick, which seems as good a move as any. The main thing would be for Nancy to share her results with the thread, so they can be corroborated (unless there are two remaining Mafia, the only faction with more than one member remaining is the town).
Finally the Neutral Chaos and Neutral Evil roles move - but again, they should only be able to do so if a role-claimer is lying.

If we all do this and there are no night kills, it suggests everyone who has role claimed so far is legit, with one or both of Jessica and Jane the remaining villains (presuming Hercule flips Mafia).

I then have the option of killing Jane, or letting her leave - if we think she is Mafia we can lynch her tomorrow; if she is Neutral you'll know because I'll be dead. (Which is fine, because I'll still win if we all do).

From there the game seems unlosable - because if any of this doesn't go down as outlined above, yet all parties commit to it, it should be possible to identify exactly who failed to carry out their stated action.

I'm happy to spend the night with Jessica, unless anyone spots a flaw in your plan, or events don't go as expected today.

Interesting to see role claiming come in to play so early in a game. No doubt, getting some luck with our first lynch and blocking the Mafia overnight has helped us, but I think this could be a real step change for future games based on how well it appears to be playing out.

Dick Tracy wrote:Hi

Nancy Drew wrote:Hi

Shinichi Kudo wrote:Hi

What say you - are you in?

If so I'll send my PM to the CI ASAP and get my night action locked in - for visibility I'd urge you all to do the same, and tell the thread that you've done it!

FWIW I've submitted my night action (and revised last will, though there's nothing useful in it so it's just a death post) to the Chief Inspector.

I'm in Will actually remember to PM the inspector tonight!

That plan is great but all it takes is a third-party killing role to off one of the protectors/blockers and the plan will go awry. It won't necessarily mean anyone is lying.

Do it now!

EDIT: at Dick.

EDIT 2: don't No Context me

Thomas Magnum wrote:That plan is great but all it takes is a third-party killing role to off one of the protectors/blockers and the plan will go awry. It won't necessarily mean anyone is lying.

Unless I've gotten it wrong: that isn't possible because someone would have to be lying for a third-party killing role to be active. There'll be eight players left; six have roleclaimed (and five will be acting as per the plan) and the other two will be blocked as a result of the planned night actions.

Kouichi Zenigata wrote:

Thomas Magnum wrote:That plan is great but all it takes is a third-party killing role to off one of the protectors/blockers and the plan will go awry. It won't necessarily mean anyone is lying.

Unless I've gotten it wrong: that isn't possible because someone would have to be lying for a third-party killing role to be active. There'll be eight players left; six have roleclaimed (and five will be acting as per the plan) and the other two will be blocked as a result of the planned night actions.

Ah, true. Hopefully there's no more Mafia Support roles, assuming they can also kill.

Kouichi Zenigata wrote:

Shinichi Kudo wrote:Hi

What say you - are you in?

This is fine by me. For clarity my going onto alert means that I am protected and will kill any visitors who target me in the night regardless of their roles/allignment. It is however limited in uses.

I am inclined to not go on alert tonight personally but that's just because I think that that there are likely more appealing targets so i'm likely to be relatively safe and as this is something that only gives rise to a risk for myself then I assume that's fine with you?

I also think you've been harassing the wrong people with these quotes when you should be quoting Jessica and Jane, the latter of whom has again posted in the middle of a conversation about role reveals and given not even a mention of claiming herself. I really think we should condier lynching Jane today instead of Hercule if only because Hercule could prove an asset to the plan tonight as I don't trust the Doctor claim and having Hercule watch either yourself or Closeau puts him into another bind if he is mafian. As he will be unable to kill whichever of you he's watching without providing a name if he's lying and if he's telling the truth then we get the name of another killer and there is victory in death.

Edit: I have a strong suspicion that there's a third party killing role in play with this much protection on the village's side and if it's a Werewolf then it's likely it will be able to kill on alternate nights or something. This makes it slower in terms of game pace than a SK which would kill too quickly by killing every night. If it is a Werewolf then you shouldn't jail an unknown without strongly considering executing them. Hercule targetting you could also make it clear if you targetting them got you killed or if you were killed by a rogue agent amonst the safe claims.

I'm not convinced lynching Hercule is the best play here vs someone who's yet to claim. I've been thinking about it and a lot of my suspicions this morning are stemming from mechanics and the game setup which shouldn't be relied upon. Wheras the most simple proof we have of Hercule's intentions is him claiming Lookout to the Jailor night 1. Which the more I think about it is an absolutely mental play if he is a mafioso as it is a role which is extremely easy to prove as legit compared to something like bodyguard where you can just avoid killing who you say you're going to target. At the time Hercule claimed he had no knowledge of what other roles might be in play and how many active roles there could be so this just seems like an incredibly ballsy play when there are roles that it would have been much easier for him to fake claim on that list (protection, support, even the killing roles sans Jailor) which makes me inclined to think he probably is town alligned.

I also think that he could be an extremely useful asset for the village if he is left alive as I suspect that we will see movement from the Mafioso and a third party killing role tonight which could seen the magic plan go a bit awry and having him watching the Jailor would be equivilant to a protection role in terms of the info it gets the village. As an alternative i'd again suggest Jane or Jessica, there's a chance one of them could be Jester as I suspect the neutrals are a Jester and a Werewolf but ultimately i'm not too fussed if we vote out a Jester as it won't end the game and doesn't really effect the village's long term prospects.

Paging Magnum for his thoughts because frankly if his vote counts for 3 then there's no point me trying to persuade anyone else. I've also pinged Hercule to see if he'd be willing to shift his vote away from Dick Tracy given they're claiming Bodyguard (something I'm skeptical of currently but it's unlikely to gain traction as an alternative lynch either way).

Thomas Magnum wrote:,

Hercule Poirot wrote:,.

I can switch my vote. I only voted the way I did as they were one of two people that others were suspicious of.

TBH, though. Is there any point?

Isn't it a bit late now with the plan in place?

I would be happy to switch my 3 votes to Jane but I'd want Hercule jailed (and I'm sure he would be OK with that!).

Jail me, if you want. Either way I'll be dead or simply unable to view someone. It's literally up to you.

Hercule Poirot wrote:TBH, though. Is there any point?

I mean I was hoping that I could help you out but if you'd rather just bow out then you can do I guess?

I suggested switching because I presume nobody would be willing to vote for the person claiming bodyguard who thinking about it now correctly called out knowledge of the village's style of role PMs so you're unlikely to gain any traction from voting there. Up to you though...

Hercule Poirot wrote:TBH, though. Is there any point?

Dick Tracy (2) - Hercule Poirot, Jane Marple,
Hercule Poirot (6) - Thomas Magnum x3, Jack Clouseau, Kouichi Zenigata, Nancy Drew
Jane Marple (1) - Shinichi Kudo

If I vote for Jane, she dies, in a 4-3-2 vote.

We've got until 7pm.

Kouichi Zenigata wrote:

Dick Tracy wrote:Hi

Nancy Drew wrote:Hi

Shinichi Kudo wrote:Hi

What say you - are you in?

If so I'll send my PM to the CI ASAP and get my night action locked in - for visibility I'd urge you all to do the same, and tell the thread that you've done it!

I've already committed to investigating Dick, the PM was sent earlier.